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RASA proposes 60m trial in VK

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by G4TUT, May 17, 2019.

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  1. VK4HAT

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    Pretty much all this saving the world and finding solutions to problems we do not know exist is not going to matter zip. A discussion paper will be released by the ACMA in early 2020. Until then, nothing will be done about 60m and the people that matter, the ACMA are not even listening, they are busy rewriting Radcom and preparing to look into changing our license conditions, something that taken 4 years so far.

    This will not be a matter of look we know what we are doing, we are experts on the internet. This will be a long process that is typical of everything ACMA does and it ll starts with a discussion paper about the issues. Rasa as usual is a solution to a problem that does not exist. The adults have been preparing for sometime to address the first of many steps in gaining 60m in VK, they have not been answering questions that have not yet been asked.

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    ^from draft 5 year outlook.
     
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  2. VK3ZAZ

    VK3ZAZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Stumbled over this by accident
    Like all Special Interest Groups you all head off on tangents
    You are SO right and SO wrong.
    And the Them and Us is still clearly evident here.
    As for The Maritime College winning the contract, it could be that like the Labor Party on weekend WIA lost it.
    I still never saw a satisfactory explanation of the questions asked of the Deed and WIA in the televised Senate Enquiry couple years back where an ACMA representative was clearly under scrutiny by the Senator.
    As for the 5 meg band nothing you say or do here will influence anyone in authority to change things.
    And from what I saw in an online post recently seems like the old WIA bashing continues which is why I am no longer member, choosing instead to support my state reps BARG SERG and AR Vic.
     
  3. VK4WDM

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    It is not just potential interference to other radio networks within Australia that we need to be mindful of. 5 MHz is widely used used for government, health services and public safety communications in Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Here in northern Queensland many of these stations, even the low powered ones using simple antennas, can be easily heard in the late afternoon and evenings, so it would be certainly possible that VK ham stations using 5 MHz, even using low power could cause interference to these vital services.
    73
    Wayne VK4WDM.
     
  4. VK3JHA

    VK3JHA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Details of the Senate hearing transcript that started the review for the ACMA to assign the amateur radio licensing deed from the WIA to the Australian Maritime College.

    http://www.vk6.net/announcements/posts/20170329-senatequestionsaskedaboutthewia

    http://parlview.aph.gov.au/mediaPlayer.php?videoID=345368
    Watch from 11:26:38 - 11:38:23.

    With the previous WIA exam system you could sit your exam on the weekend at your radio club and get your exam marked and paperwork submitted for your new licenese the same day - How long does it now take with the new provider ?
     
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  5. G8ADD

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    You are still not getting the point, are you? Your suggested policy of layin' low and saying nuffin' until they deign to examine the proposed 5 MHz ham channel(s) is only going to give them the impression that there is no demand. Being bureaucrats that will encourage them to either deal with the matter in a cursory manner or shelve the topic indefinately. If you keep up a degree of pressure then you are more likely to get the desired result.

    Really, I am disappointed - I would have thougfht that Aussies would be the last people on Earth to defer to authority!
     
  6. G8ADD

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    A while back I was listening to a local Australian BC station on 5.2585 MHz, I doubt that it was running all that much power but it was getting halfway around the world. This suggests that transmissions in the amateur service from countries which do give access to 5 MHz could also cause interference. These services that you refer to should surely have enough frequency agility to avoid interference?
     
  7. VK4WDM

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    These are "point to point" fixed frequency services typically 25-100w to wire antennas, mostly in remote areas with battery power. 5Mhz is good band to use because it propagates well in rugged jungle clad areas over a large time span - something that was found out during WW2

    They are already subjected to bad interference from Asia. We don't want to make the situation worse. I am sure that that some suitable spot frequencies for ham operations could be found but my point is that consultation needs to be wider than just in VK and I am sure that the ACMA are aware of that.

    Wayne VK4WDM
     
  8. KQ6XA

    KQ6XA Ham Member QRZ Page

    It is doubtful that Amateur Radio Service occupancy of a few channels
    would be more active than, lets say, the combined current HF land mobile radio fleets of...
    commercial private individuals, corporations, public, and governmental organisations
    which have existing channels on 5 MHz:
    • Commercial energy companies
    • Mining companies
    • Fisheries
    • Universities
    • Emergency Services
    • Police
    • Fire
    • Private individuals
    • 4WD clubs

    As has been shown, there are possibilities available for channels in the gaps and for secondary allocations.

    An official Spectrum Allocation by ACMA for 5351.5-5366.5 kHz Amateur radio in Australia already exists.
    Few ham operators know about it.
    ACMA has been simply holding back the implementation of it!

    The only objection to ACMA making the announcement to enable hams to use this allocation was from the JORN (Jindalee project), which under their allocation in the "Radiolocation" category, is supposed to operate themselves on a non-interference basis.
    Of course, with their newly minted $1.2 Billion funding, they now flex their muscle to exert control over all of HF in Australia, the same way a 150 kilogram gorilla does in the forest.

    From ACMA's draft Five Year Spectrum Outlook, one can see the 5 MHz story unfold:

    "Amateur radio
    Progress achieved

    Feedback from last year’s FYSO included suggestions proposing a number of additional frequency bands to be made available for amateur use, or identifying where the allocation status in the Australian Radiofrequency Spectrum Plan changed. In response to those requests:


    > Secondary allocation at 5.3 MHz (implementation of WRC 15 agenda item 1.4)—In Australia, the band is currently used by some emergency service and law enforcement organisations for mobile operations. Defence also uses these frequencies in support of key capabilities. The ACMA consulted with local stakeholders on this potential allocation in the lead-up to WRC-15. Stakeholder views were varied, with opposition to the allocation, in particular, from Defence, due to the potential for interference to its systems.

    Notwithstanding Australia’s concerns, a secondary allocation was ultimately made at WRC-15 and has been added to the Australian Radiofrequency Spectrum Plan. However, this does not oblige the ACMA to enable use of the allocation.

    The ACMA considers that the concerns of Defence, as an existing user of band, remain. Relevantly, the Australian Government has recently committed $1.2 billion in support of defence systems that operate in the high frequency part of the spectrum[1]. "


    [1] See https://www.minister.defence.gov.au...nce-industry-minister-defence-boon-australian.

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  9. VK4HAT

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    I am not sure how things work with OFCOM, but ACMA move at a snails pace and only within the time frames they set for things. Sending them letters telling them what I would like to happen now is not going to have any effect. They have outlined exactly how they are going to proceed and that is how things will happen as it does with any government department, you start at A and proceed to B. C and D. They will release a discussion paper outlining the issues as they see them to allowing amateur use of 60m which will allow feedback from stakeholders about the issues as they see them. Thats the start of a process that will take many years if other things are to go by. 4 years ago changing license conditions was put on the agenda, and guess what, it might actually happen late this year. So, you can expect that 60m will take a similar trajectory of waiting 12 months between each consultation stage. rasa knows this and that is why their submission is nothing more than a stunt. They have waning support in VK and because they have a need to be heard, they are promoting themselves to the world in hopes someone thinks they are great.
     
  10. KQ6XA

    KQ6XA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Wayne,
    The wider consultation happened already.
    The international ITU 60 metre band was the result.
     

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