RASA proposes 60m trial in VK

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  1. G4TUT

    G4TUT Ham Member QRZ Page

    RASA proposes 60m trial in VK

    The Radio Amateur Society of Australia (RASA) has written to the Australian radio regulator, the Australian Communications and Media Authority, proposing a trial allocation in the 60m (5 MHz) band.

    “We suggested that amateur operation be restricted to the existing Australian commercial allocations of 5351, 5355 and 5360 kHz, using USB with a maximum 2.8 kHz bandwidth and the 15W transmit power granted at the World Radio Conference” RASA President, Glenn Dunstan VK4DU said.

    “We also proposed a trial digital allocation in the vacant 5363-5 kHz segment”.

    “We understand that these channels may not line up with international allocations, but our first concern is to ensure that sharing is possible with existing Australian commercial users” Glenn said.

    The channelised arrangement has been used in many other countries to introduce the 5 MHz amateur band – notably, Europe, the USA and New Zealand. These countries all have much shorter distances between amateurs and commercial users than Australia.


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  2. KQ6XA

    KQ6XA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Good to see more action advancing 5 MHz ham radio in Australia.
    Generally, many of the countries in ITU Region 3 (Asia, Australia, Oceania) are at least a decade behind the rest of the world for ham allocations in the 60 metre band.

    5 MHz is an essential part of the spectrum for usable propagation, especially during these years between the peaks of solar cycles.
  3. OZ1FJB

    OZ1FJB Ham Member QRZ Page

    Just like Bonnie, I will only recommend the 60m band, since NVIS signals sometimes is not able on 80 or 40m band, but ok at 60m band.
    Good luck with the future of this.
    vy73 de Lars oz1fjb - ou2v - ov1bcn
  4. VK3VM

    VK3VM XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    I hear reliably that the approach taken was highly professional based on documentation, evidence and solutions around impediments - not ranting, banging on tables and demands as is the tradition.

    Any campaign for gain must also come with community and stakeholder support. Direct stakeholders are Australian Amateurs. Yet let's not forget that signals from these bands leave Australian shores... so therefore support from the International community again as stakeholders would also be highly useful and very assistive.

    Support with evidence can be forwarded to our regulator, the ACMA, via lais@acma.gov.au for consideration in their decision-making process.
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  5. VK2RK

    VK2RK Ham Member QRZ Page

    RASA is not a representative body of AR in Australia, but a very small faction with an over inflated opinion. One that has further driven division in the hobby.
    The ACMA has a big fight coming on if they continue to be recognising RASA over the WIA one that has been a long standing representative body of AR in Australia.
    VK4DU and his mate that are both consultants for the Australian Maritime College, that somehow have convinced the ACMA to take away self management of the hobby from the WIA to a commercial interest is WRONG
    The hobby back in late 90's was given self regulation, now we have lost this, plus this RASA mob thinks its representing the interest of the hobby. this is way far from the facts.
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  6. VK4HAT

    VK4HAT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Pretty sure ACMA have been rather clear here, they have no intention of moving the military and commercial users out of this space to make way for ham use. So rasa writing a letter is going to make no difference at all. This announcement is more about self promotion on a global stage because rasa have been well and truly rejected locally, particularly so after one of their leaders was caught on video running more than 3 times the legal power in VK.
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  7. VK3VM

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    VK2YMU and VK6APS - So you are against any efforts from any interested party to further 60m?

    What have both of you done to further this effort rather than put down efforts of others? Does not statements like yours targetting the man foster disharmony? Isn't that bullying? Isn't bullying and disharmony the main issue that many are rallying against in Australian AR?

    Your political statement puts the progress of AR backwards; It is off topic.

    Fact: The ACMA by charter is required to speak with anyone... Whether they be a representative body or group. It is you that is claiming that RASA are claiming to be the representative group over another - the traditional WIA. Yet the WIA claim to be the prime representative group.

    This discussion is immaterial; The fact is that BOTH are representative groups. In my book, the more the merrier ! The greater the chance of us getting rather than having taken away from us !

    Whether you are a member of the WIA "Club", RASA "Club" or Calathumpian you should be supporting ALL efforts - not denigrating and belittling efforts based on political belief. For gods sake, there are only 10,000 individuals licensed in Australia. Any representation is bloody good.

    Your off-topic person-targetted comments and blind lack of recognition efforts backs op Bonnie KQ6A's statements that R3 etc., are behind the rest of the world. The reason that we are behind the rest of the world is because of divisive unsupportive statements for the progress of AR based on personality.

    With that attitude you and the blind sheep behind you (i.e. VK6APS) will just drive AR in Australia into the insignificance the Government and Business wants.

    HAM - Help All Mankind. We should be doing nothing but fully supporting all efforts to advance AR ... and not target the personality or the individual.

    Its your disgraceful comments VK2YMU that set us back every time you comment.

    Respond via personal email please as political bitching and fighting only pushes AR backwards.

    [ By the way, I refuse to be a member of RASA. I am not renewing WIA membership being a former WIA assessor and compelled to be a member of the WIA to be an assessor. ]
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  8. AK2DM

    AK2DM Ham Member QRZ Page

    It's interesting that they are proposing a trial which has restrictions on it, which in and of itself is fine except when you have an office bearer, initial setup member who blatantly breaks the law with regards to Australia's current power restrictions on a recent DXpedition, proving it with a video and posting it online. Unfortunately bringing a shadow onto the whole event of the conduct shown at that event.

    This does nothing for any chances of Self Regulation or promote the probity and confidence in their fairness in any other matters. They should take a hard look at themselves for their conduct.
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  9. VK3VM

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    Check the ACMA register and you will find that the allocation we are seeking is pretty much free of military. There are some allocations to 4WD clubs etc. I believe that the RASA proposal catered for this. The ACMA has lots of money for things such as Community Broadcasting - yet spends almost ZILCH on AR. Ask RASA for their proposal, aid I believe that you will get :)

    Representations have also been made I believe for 160m but I have been reliably told emphatically no due to navigation aids in use in Northern Australia.

    Glenn Dunstan VK4DU is a professional in Communications Troubleshooting and his reputation and abilities as a professional are well known in the industry.

    As I state I am not a member of RASA yet I have seen and heard first-hand what they have put forward.

    Unless support comes from all angles - rather than knocks - we get nothing. Division leads to inaction.
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  10. VK4HAT

    VK4HAT Ham Member QRZ Page

    And if you look at ACMA's responses on this subject, they have said catagorically, that they have no intention to move the existing users of this spectrum elsewhere, mostly because someone will have to wear the costs that users of this space cannot afford. Letters are not going to change this position, not now, not ever. Also, the ACMA are focused on redrafting RADCOM and the LCD among other things and that is taking all their resources to achieve. Those are the realities we face, rasamatazz letters are not going to change that.

    Rasa's letters are just badgering the ACMA and all about self promotion on a world stage because hams in VK have rejected them. RASA are not satisfied with giving us a broken licensing system that is equally as slow and more expensive than the WIA. So they annoy anyone who they can. Its important to be heard and no one in VK is listening to them. They are no longer active on any of the major VK facebook groups because everyone sees exactly what a mess they have made of everything they have touched.
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