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News Release December 20, 2017: Greene County Fairgrounds/Expo Center Building Expansion

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by K8KSU, Dec 20, 2017.

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  1. WB2WIK

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    If it's half filled with a very good Scotch, it's still a good glass.

    Half filled with Pepto Bismal, not so great.
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  2. W1YW

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    This should clarify the situation---

    Other ham gatherings are EVENTS...

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  3. N8SA

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    I personally think they committee did a wonderful job in the short time frame they had to work on this. I already sent in my reservation to camp at the Fairgrounds. for 2018. Im looking forward to it. And I will bring my farmer boots for the mud. We had it back in the camping spots too but they had a tractor and winch that pulled us out on Sunday afternoon. I remember waking on Friday morning with 4 inches of snow on the ground back when it was still in April. THOSE WERE THE BAD OLD DAYS! If they keep shutting down the outgoing traffic on Saturday morning and allowing two lanes in it will improve the traffic. The is a FAIRGROUND! They have mud, they dont and cant afford AC in uninsulated buildings. We are only there on weekend a year and we get what we can. They are already improving the fairground for this year with new construction and an extra building to use. That is more than HARA ever did for us in 40 years. IMHO
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  4. K7JOE

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    There is indeed some truth in the geographic aspect of a central midwest location and late spring/ early summer timing, although mostly the timing was weather related-- For decades, Dayton was end of April - back in the mid 1980's when I started to attend, it was unpredictable / crap weather and school was not out yet for the summer. It was moved to mid May to try for better weather. School still doesnt get out for many students til end of may or early june.

    Agree Most of the Ham love affair with Dayton is simply locked in some long standing tradition and as a result, a whole lot of inertia and unwillingness to change. Arguably, there may also be a little greed as it's a good money maker for DARA and so they want to hang on to the event for financial reasons.

    This is good news for DARA -- hams kept coming through the years - hams put up with moldy and musty broken down falling ceiling tiles, broken A/C, backed up toilets, floating turds in the parking lots, and the unpredictable weather - tornado, snow, heat, hail for at least a decade - because there's nothing thats being done any better and so the bar is set pretty low. Xenia was an upgrade -but not without some significant issues that need to be addressed. Sure, hams can still put up with the parking, the traffic, the mudfest, the hot buildings etc. But why settle ....

    Thinking about other major hobby meets, events, conference, conventions, etc, they all tend to choose a very viable "central "location but those are NOT-Dayton. Still they are close to population centers and attract tens of thousands of hobbyists. Central location is a relative term as population masses have shifted. With the advent of cheap airfare (something that happened long after hamvention was first established) makes for many many alternative and low cost locations. Indianapolis,IN, Columbus OH, ST Louis, MO, Cincinnati, OH, Louisville, KY, Kansas City, MO, Chicago, IL, Detroit, MI, Atlanta GA, Nashville or Memphis TN -- all very very viable locations to "handle" the hamvention crowd and a reasonable day's drive from all the major population centers on the east half of the USA.

    Looking at a population map of hams, just about any 4-land, 8-land or 9-land location would certainly work.

    Not that Dayton will move but keep an eye out for the new hamfests to displace the old ones.... like FT-8 displacing wont happen till suddenly it's happened.
  5. NK9Y

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    I am pleased with Xenia, and plan to attend as long as the powers that be offer it to us. That being said, and reading all those who are interested in a more central location. Kansas City is certainly central, but traffic, in my opinion, would be a HUGE step backwards. And the few arenas that may be contemplated, though nice, have horrible parking issues. Even worse than in Ohio, either place.

    If a new, or second big fest, is deemed the way to go, my vote is for Oklahoma City. Those highways are built for sheer volume. And those fair grounds are quite close to a fine airport. Those who have never been to the facility will stand slack jawed at the numerous under cover, and climate controlled arenas, on the place. Then image a vast amount of on site parking spaces, much of it paved. The parking on grass, is well drained, with gravel lanes set up in grid fashion. I have been there during flooding rain, and pulling a 24 foot, and loaded horse trailer, never got stuck.

    High end sleeping, and dining, all within 10 minutes. Or the cheaper mom, and pop, arrangements. Museums, and fine art are plentiful for the whole family. Just yet another opinion.
  6. W1YW

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    Hamvention IS DARA.

    Can't do this event without DARA.

    DARA is Dayton-based.
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  7. NK9Y

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    Hi Chip, and congratulations on your patent work.

    My quoted post never mentioned DARA. Hamvention will never be duplicated. As I said, the trip to Xenia is planned for decades to come. As long as they continue to have it, and my high risk job don't kill me. The intent of my post was to introduce a new, or rather a second, big hamfest idea. After all, by reading the various ideas on the subject, there appears to be a demand. True enough, folks from the east coast may not care to make the OK trip, for the same reasons plenty of hams from west of the big muddy will not travel to OH.
  8. W1YW

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    Roger:) Sorry for the confusion.

    Hamvention is actually growing(again), despite the ham age demographics working against it. To me that says that Hamvention is tapping into a large segment of younger, mostly Tech hams throughout the midwest.

    Older hams, like myself, are comfortable with what we already know. Starting something new is always an issue. I haven't been to Orlando ,but do hear great things about it, yet it --as I have been told-- does have an older demographic, which, unfortunately will not be sustainable, say, 5 years from now.
    Chip W1YW
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  9. NK9Y

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    I agree will all you are saying, with one proviso. Another five, or ten, or 15 years will bring about a whole new group of pensioners for Orlando. Just not me. Would rather retire in the desert with the scorpions, and rattlesnakes. hihi

    And best wishes for 2018
    de Chet NK9Y
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  10. K8JTD

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    The Xenia Police Chief is not a ham. Better check your source of information. The Greene County Sheriff now has his license.

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