Incentive Licensing Retrospective

I think if you take a closer look at Hitler and Germany, you'll find that it was just the Jews that made money (and the rest of them as well) that he had a problem with. Actually, Facist Germany was quite friendly with the corporate world and the makers of wealth (with appropreate pedigree). The facists are quite right wing, but extreme and to your point, unsustainable.

 

kb1sf-I’ve always found it fascinating how the closer one gets to uncovering the truth, the more frequent and boorish the personal attacks become from those who would rather not have that truth ever see the light of day.
                                                                                                                                                                             keith  did you ever hit this one square on the head , thats always the way it is ,ever time ,73 Bill[/QUOTE]
I suppose that that was the very response I was looking for.. how do *you* define "truth"? As an article of faith in the religious sense? In that you believe, so it must be true? Or in fact, that evidence proves it so.

I, and many others have asked for direct *proof* of this discriminatory injustice, and have not received an answer beyond a shrill claim that this discrimination exists. The claim that one is handicapped in the sense that they cannot comprehend the language of morse, yet can decode the stream of characters presented here in the forum, comprehend, and respond intelligently (by typing these same encoded characters) is an insult to the intelligence of all who have contributed to this topic.

Efforts to debase amateur radio in this way, certainly will not pass without resistance from those who see value in striving to meet the standards set forth by a community of their peers. As other have so succinctly pointed out, the alternative (and the one subscribed to by the responders of this post) has proven itself to be a dismal failure in human history. 11 meters welcomes you to fair access to HF, enjoy.

73,
Mark.

 

I suppose that that was the very response I was looking for.. how do *you* define "truth"? As an article of faith in the religious sense? In that you believe, so it must be true? Or in fact, that evidence proves it so.

I, and many others have asked for direct *proof* of this discriminatory injustice, and have not received an answer beyond a shrill claim that this discrimination exists. The claim that one is handicapped in the sense that they cannot comprehend the language of morse, yet can decode the stream of characters presented here in the forum, comprehend, and respond intelligently (by typing these same encoded characters) is an insult to the intelligence of all who have contributed to this topic.

Efforts to debase amateur radio in this way, certainly will not pass without resistance from those who see value in striving to meet the standards set forth by a community of their peers. As other have so succinctly pointed out, the alternative (and the one subscribed to by the responders of this post) has proven itself to be a dismal failure in human history. 11 meters welcomes you to fair access to HF, enjoy.

73,
Mark.[/QUOTE]
Mark,

I'd like to think were occupied elsewhere when Chris (KF3DOM) laid it all out for us in great detail in a number of posts in this discussion.  I suggest you now go back and read his posts and I think you’ll find more than enough of your “proof”.

But, then again, even when confronted with mounds of such “evidence” there will always be people who remain unconvinced that such disabilities even exist.  Maybe that's because there is absolutely no way they can even begin to fully comprehend what it's really like to be disabled and to face such systemic discrimination.

Sadly, for some other people, their steadfast refusal to even make an attempt to empathize with the plight of persons with disabilities simply becomes “proof” of their own …of a very different kind.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF

 

I suppose that that was the very response I was looking for.. how do *you* define "truth"? As an article of faith in the religious sense? In that you believe, so it must be true? Or in fact, that evidence proves it so.

I, and many others have asked for direct *proof* of this discriminatory injustice, and have not received an answer beyond a shrill claim that this discrimination exists. The claim that one is handicapped in the sense that they cannot comprehend the language of morse, yet can decode the stream of characters presented here in the forum, comprehend, and respond intelligently (by typing these same encoded characters) is an insult to the intelligence of all who have contributed to this topic.

73,
Mark.[/QUOTE]
kc9hvn-Efforts to debase amateur radio in this way, certainly will not pass without resistance from those who see value in striving to meet the standards set forth by a community of their peers. As other have so succinctly pointed out, the alternative (and the one subscribed to by the responders of this post) has proven itself to be a dismal failure in human history. 11 meters welcomes you to fair access to HF, enjoy.
sir I have not said any thing a bout there are a lot of ways to be handicapped I do not know all the Rules on that and you can not find anywhere I have said anything about it , But however Keith sounds like he is up on the Rules petter good so I will go with Him Because what he is saying is he believes this to Be Right and he Believes this will happen,and he is not trying to make life hard for the ones that have a hard time doing things like the dum as# morse code you people are doing ,over the years I have tried to get that stupped morse code 4 different times and due to working hours and other things I could not get it , But I am retired now and I have the time to try it again and over the last 10 mo,s I have got most of it down and hope to try once again and take the test and hope to Pass it and get the krap out of the way ,now you are anyone who likes morse code I am for you 100% and hope you are tapping your key when you fall dead, thats your choise and I am for you till the end,but I dont have any care at all for the morse code at all ,you people are all alike that try and make it as hard as you can for others , and when you all do that you are going to hear from me to and back in my early days I had to do alot of things the hard way, to day others dont do today, and I am not upset Because thes people can do it easer than I had to do it , things change as the years go buy ,and in the end you will learn to live with it to ,you or I can not change time it will go on with you or without you and I will go with it you can stay Back and Bitch if you want to thats up to you, and 11meters sir it would not supprise me if I dont have more qsl cards on that Band than you got on ham Radio,all of cb is not as Bad as you people make it out to Be there are good people on cb Right now , and there are Bad to , But you can say the same thing about ham Radio to so what ,But you dont talk about the Bad in ham Radio you use cb to push your thing on others ,and when I get this test passed I will Be in here a lot more thin than i am now to do anything I can do to get Rid of it as a Requierment only , you Believe your way I believe my way I am not trying to push anything on anyBody I am just agreeing with what the fcc is doing I think it should have Been done a long time ago ,73 Bill

 

Sounds like following the model on 11 meters is the way to go Only problem, it is still illegal to work the "DX" for those QSL Cards.

You may want to check:

                   CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS
                        COMMISSION (CONTINUED)

PART 95_PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents

              Subpart D_Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service

Sec. 95.413  (CB Rule 13) What communications are prohibited?

   (a) You must not use a CB station--

   (9) To communicate with, or attempt to communicate with, any CB
station more than 250 kilometers (155.3 miles) away;

Wow. I rest my case. Lets get rid of the tests, and the rules too ?? Or start a class action suit for the poor CB'ers that can't use gigawatt amps and talk to good buddies over 155.3 miles. Not fair is it?

Let the force be with you

73 - Bob

 

w6nj-PART 95_PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents

              Subpart D_Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service

Sec. 95.413  (CB Rule 13) What communications are prohibited?

sir yes I petter well know the Rules  and yes I did Brake them Back thin ,and  I know you never Broke any of the part 95 Rules so I wont ask you to admit it ,But are you going to tell me that all the Hams out there have never Broke any Rules , my guess is a lot of them out there have Broke them one time or the other, ,But I know you have not Because you know the code , and the fcc makes the Rules if they wont to drop the test its ok with me I will let them Handle that ,thats their job not mind 73 Bill

 

What's going on here? I smell something....what the h... is it?

Keith is winding down?! Because there is now proof for discrimination!

But alas, that is DX-discrimination in CB Radio. Well,
my good buddy is only 4 miles away, so I must not worry.

Earlier this morning I talked to GJ, am I not now discriminating the poor CBers? Pse advise, or I won't be able to sleep tonight.
Or do I better get used to "Pigpen and the lost convoy" because that is where all this is going to sometime in the future.

But I tell you dudes out there, the FCC "Enforcers of the Discriminating DX" will have to pry my MD1 out of my cold dead hands, and with disgust they will see that I have the "CQ DX" still on my blue lips.
ROFL, help.
Maybe I am wrong there and it is a Canadian Expeditionary Force sweeping the country after the friendly takeover of the FCC by Non-Elitists and their friends, the Non-Discriminationists.

I'LL send them some heavy-weight thunderbolts from DX-Heaven, in the rhythm of dah-dit-dit  dah-dit-dit-dah; if that does not make them go back under their stone , I'll send a rainstorm of straight-keys!

Man, this here thread has gone far. We are all now in fear of another classaction lawsuit because we are all discriminators, elitists and upper caste.
I am quite liberal in my thinking, as everybody may by now have realized.
But hollering out of the wilderness for even more equality will have me look a little bit longer towards the right side of the spectre, where the democrats state they aren't... :blush:

1 cent IMHO, 1 cent humor

 

Hans,

Don't forget Family Radio. Why should they be limited to those milliwatt radios just because they have families?

Not fair.

So young Skywalker, you must turn to the dark side.

Details are on the Fox News Channel. Check your local cable listings. Darth Sidious O'Reilly will guide you on your path to the Dark Side. They also have deals on LightSabers from China. Great prices. A little rough on the finish, but will make short work of any cyborg.

This thread is just too funny

73 - Bob

 

Mark,

I'd like to think were occupied elsewhere when Chris (KF3DOM) laid it all out for us in great detail in a number of posts in this discussion.  I suggest you now go back and read his posts and I think you’ll find more than enough of your “proof”.

But, then again, even when confronted with mounds of such “evidence” there will always be people who remain unconvinced that such disabilities even exist.  Maybe that's because there is absolutely no way they can even begin to fully comprehend what it's really like to be disabled and to face such systemic discrimination.

Sadly, for some other people, their steadfast refusal to even make an attempt to empathize with the plight of persons with disabilities simply becomes “proof” of their own …of a very different kind.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF[/QUOTE]
Keith,

DOM indicated that he has a disability that affects being able to associate numbers with symbols.

He also indicated that is how he tried to learn Morse Code - by counting the number of dits and dahs and associate them with a symbol, i.e. the letter.

It's no wonder he can't learn Morse Code in this manner.

He needs to learn it as a heard language just like any spoken language. That is recognized as the best way to learn it for ANYONE!

His situation provides no evidence of discrimination, only evidence of having had poor teachers.

As several people on here have pointed out in the past - it is far better to identify the disability and figure out other ways to accomplish the project than to lower the qualification levels of the project. Lowering of qualifications serves no one's needs, only their wants.

tim ab0wr

 

If he has a genuine disability that prevents him from meeting the qualifications for Amateur Radio then maybe he should consider GOLF !!

 

Keith,

DOM indicated that he has a disability that affects being able to associate numbers with symbols.

He needs to learn it as a heard language just like any spoken language. That is recognized as the best way to learn it for ANYONE!

His situation provides no evidence of discrimination, only evidence of having had poor teachers.

As several people on here have pointed out in the past - it is far better to identify the disability and figure out other ways to accomplish the project than to lower the qualification levels of the project. Lowering of qualifications serves no one's needs, only their wants.

tim ab0wr[/quote]
aB0wr-  He also indicated that is how he tried to learn Morse Code - by counting the number of dits and dahs and associate them with a symbol, i.e. the letter.

It's no wonder he can't learn Morse Code in this manner.

(well I hope this is Right this is the way I am trying it and I am getting it a little at a time, But some say you need to count the dits and dahs But I am not going to start over its took me to long to get to where I am nowso I am going to go on till I pass the test) 73 Bill

 

k6uey-I do not know who you are talking about with the disability, But do you have to know the Morse code to pass the golf test to if you do he would not Be any Better off, But thats up to him not me ,73 Bill

 

KD4MXE,
Well Bill if he can not qualify for GOLF then he might try Lawn Tennis,must be some thing he is qualified to do.As for Amateur Radio it appears we already have a surplus of under qualified Amateurs,the Quota is over flowing.  

 

w6nj - This thread is just too funny

ok Bob I am glad you think it is funny , it makes me feel Better if you laugh its good for your Heart, But worry is Bad for your Heart ,73 Bill

 

k6uey-well I cant disagree with you Here ,I see it to and they ant all no code tec,s eather, But it will all work out come wash day ,just wate and see , 73 Bill