D-STAR illegal in France

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  1. G4ILO

    G4ILO Ham Member QRZ Page

    I'm surprised at the statement that France does not allow radio connections to the internet. If so, both Echolink and APRS gateways would be prohibited too. Yet check the list of connected Echolink nodes and there are several with F callsigns, and look at Paris on aprs.fi and you will see gateways shown there. Perhaps each licensee has to apply for special permission, in which case the situation is not very different from what it is here.

    Given the slightly hysterical tone of the website (might as well ban ham radio, etc) and the fact that I can't read the original French document it's hard to be sure what the real issue is here.
     
  2. KL7AJ

    KL7AJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    An Englishman saying the French got it right. I never thought I'd live to see the day. :D
     
  3. WA2WMR

    WA2WMR Ham Member QRZ Page

    Why am I visualizing a scene from Real Genius (an early Val Kilmer movie) in which all the students attending a lecture have left their tape recorders running to record the lecture while they are elsewhere and the professor has left his tape player to deliver the lecture while he is elsewhere?
     
  4. K0RGR

    K0RGR Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    I am reminded of Mark Twain's phrase :" It's un-American. It's un-British. IT'S FRENCH!"

    The French can do whatever they want. It must be difficult to live in a country where your bowel movements are monitored. Liberte , Equalite, baloney ...
     
  5. W8NSI

    W8NSI Ham Member QRZ Page

    :D

    As for the use of D-Star... I don't own one. Never will because of proprietary firmware. When I have to buy their hardware/firmware package to work a mode, it just is NOT worth it.

    Also we are getting a great example of the "future of digital communications" with the changeover of television to digital. We used to be able to take a portable TV to the park with us if we wanted to watch a baseball game. Now, unless you are in a STRONG signal area, there is nothing. Digital TV is an all or nothing event. Look at error correcting modes like DIGTRX that require a passably strong signal to get a picture across.

    NO! For weak signal modes, the old analog rigs will be around for a LONG time (and internally digitally enhanced receivers)! On the air digital modes (beyond cw and narrow bandwidth modes like psk31) are a novelty. When nothing else can get through, try CW.

    As for the French ban on D-Star... good for them! I'll hoist a pint to them. Good show! It is no business of the rest of the world what they do internally with their radio regulations. Everyone seems to think we are all world citizens or something lately (or at least since the 2008 election).
     
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  6. WY3X

    WY3X Ham Member QRZ Page

    Radio<-->internet connections illegal in France?

    I never thought I'd say this, but GO FRANCE!!!!

    I think this rule probably hearkens back to the day when many countries would not allow third-party traffic over amateur radio because it would cheat the government-monopolized phone company out of it's just dues.

    Connecting an amateur radio to the internet defeats the purpose of amateur radio, one purpose of which is "(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art." The purpose of the hobby is not to improve the connection of radio to the internet, but the improvement of the "radio art". Making a connection to another amateur via a twisted pair has nothing to do with radio. Central to the hobby is the propagation of electromagnetic waves through the atmosphere, no wires in between. Anything else is "faux radio".

    -WY3X
     
  7. KC2UGV

    KC2UGV Ham Member QRZ Page

    Connecting to the internet via ham radio is not restricted to ham-to-ham contacts. Think ham <--> arrl emails, and ham <--> ham emails, ham <--> ham radio related forums, ham <--> Red Cross Disaster Management sites, ad infinitum...
     
  8. G3UEQ

    G3UEQ Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Re D-Star

    Yes, I agree, the French have it spot on, listening round the bands these days all you are starting to hear is digital carriers. Youngsters coming into the hobby will listen on the short waves etc. and hear this and say lets get a phone, its cheaper.

    I am not against digital communications as such for certain modes, but if it starts to take over the conventional spirit of amateur radio and nobody can listen around the bands, it will create a very cliquey environment, that I dare say is happening already. Still at least LP's and analogue in some areas are on their way back!
    Andy G3UEQ
     
  9. K3YBN

    K3YBN Ham Member QRZ Page

    D STAR should be banned in the US as well

    Look I like ICOM.. I have several radios that are ICOM and love them BUT.. as long as anything about DSTAR is proprietary.. codec, hardware or anything else.. it should be banned/boycotted.

    Why? It is simple. Ham radio is predicated on experimentation and technologies like DSTAR STIFFLE our ability to experiment by their closed nature. See for ICOM this is a pure money maker.. and if continued this technology will go the same way as the BETAMAX video recorder.. Then all of those that have spent large amounts of money will be stuck with a white elephant.

    It is also the exact reason that other VOIP technologies survive.. they are open source.. you can build you own hardware if you like it.. write your own server if you like.. or whatever you wish to do with it...

    WHy would I ever spend $1k on a mobile 2/440 radio give me a break..

    Send ICOM a message.. "OPEN UP YOUR TECHOLOGY"

    Jim
     
  10. WA4OTD

    WA4OTD Ham Member QRZ Page

    I have to print and frame this post :)

     
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