D-STAR illegal in France

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  1. G4TUT

    G4TUT Ham Member QRZ Page

    D-STAR illegal in France

    While Radio Amateurs in the rest of the world have embraced modern digital communications, it would appear D-STAR is illegal in France and there is now a European Parliament petition on the matter.

    A report on the French digital ham radio website (DR@F) says that the regulator, the ARCEP, has said the D-STAR protocol specifications could allow ham-radio operators to connect their station to Internet and that is prohibited.
    The ARCEP also cites alleged concerns regarding Cryptography & National Security as well as the use of a proprietary CODEC.

    The DR@F are calling on all European Ham-radio societies to help them in their battle to allow all Digital Voice modes, Internet access and no restrictive experiment in France.

    It seems incredible that in the 21st century a country would attempt to stop its Radio Amateurs from using modern means of communications.

    You can sign the European Parliament Petition - Digital Voice & Internet Access in France at
    http://draf.asso.fr/index.php?pages/Digital-Voice-Internet-Access-in-France-Petition



    DR@F D-STAR Situation in France in English
    http://draf.asso.fr/index.php?post/2010/06/28/D-STAR-situation-in-France

    Digital Ham Radio France (DR@F) in Google English
    http://tinyurl.com/FranceDRAF

    REF National Society in Google English
    http://tinyurl.com/FranceREF

    ARCEP in Google English
    http://tinyurl.com/FranceARCEP







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  2. G0FTD

    G0FTD Ham Member QRZ Page

    The French have got it right.

    The only petition worth signing is one that bands DSTAR worldwide.
     
  3. W3PRL

    W3PRL Ham Member QRZ Page

    D-Star

    D-Star Technology is ham radio on steriods. The applications are very interesting, and the methods for communication are quite different than adjusting plate and load in a TS-830s or an old Swan. Computers and the internet enable hams to run digital modes. D* will continue to grow and will eventually become the future of ham radio, like it or not.
     
  4. SV9OFO

    SV9OFO Ham Member QRZ Page

    well, if there was two different petitions, one for d* and another for digital to internet interconnect, I would sign just for internet interconnect. D*, for as long as it stands on the AMBE codec, may rest in peace.


    Actually, it is ham radio on antipregnacy pills, not steroids. Nothing good can emerge in a world where your voice is patented.
     
  5. K3KO

    K3KO Ham Member QRZ Page

    Future of ham radio? Your basis? I remember when a convertible car/airplane was the "future of commuting". Or when DC was to be the universal method of commercial power distribution.

    If it is the future, I'm glad I won't be around to see it.

    de Brian/K3KO
     
  6. DG5KX

    DG5KX Guest

    Well, why not?

    >
    >It seems incredible that in the 21st century a country would attempt
    >to stop its Radio Amateurs from using modern means of communications.

    That is also the tenor of the quoted website, but if you read the letter fronm ARCEP they raise valid (to me ;-)) points.

    It is normal that a radio amateur has to comply to the laws of his country. If France allows connection to the Internet or not is for France to say.

    France has always had a strong control on use of cryptographic methods in electronic communications, and ARCEP says they view a codec using proprietary, not open (hello ICOM!) standards as suitable for disguising communication - i.e., cryptography - because communication cannot be listened to anymore unless you license a codec yourself (i.e.; pay. Through the nose.).

    Interesting.

    Whether you say hooray for open source at this point or woohoo about not being allowed to use ICOM devices for D-STAR is in the eye of the beholder.

    Personally, I always found D-STAR "difficult" - granted it's a brilliant piece of work, but isn't amateur radio about openness and not about a closed shop technology?

    Anyway, my guess would be that our friends in F just have to push the right buttons here.
     
  7. DG5KX

    DG5KX Guest

    Well, why not?

    >
    >It seems incredible that in the 21st century a country would attempt
    >to stop its Radio Amateurs from using modern means of communications.

    That is also the tenor of the quoted website, but if you read the letter fronm ARCEP they raise valid (to me ;-)) points.

    It is normal that a radio amateur has to comply to the laws of his country. If France allows connection to the Internet or not is for France to say.

    France has always had a strong control on use of cryptographic methods in electronic communications, and ARCEP says they view a codec using proprietary, not open (hello ICOM!) standards as suitable for disguising communication - i.e., cryptography - because communication cannot be listened to anymore unless you license a codec yourself (i.e.; pay. Through the nose.).

    Interesting.

    Whether you say hooray for open source at this point or woohoo about not being allowed to use ICOM devices for D-STAR is in the eye of the beholder.

    Personally, I always found D-STAR "difficult" - granted it's a brilliant piece of work, but isn't amateur radio about openness and not about a closed shop technology?

    Anyway, my guess would be that our friends in F just have to push the right buttons here.
     
  8. G0FTD

    G0FTD Ham Member QRZ Page

    Dead Star ?

    A digital radio system that can't even send an instant message without an
    external PC.

    Call that progress ?

    Overpriced junk.

    Digital voice for the sake of it - and nothing more.
     
  9. KC2UGV

    KC2UGV Ham Member QRZ Page

    Tell the group doing to the petition to split it: Allowing the use of a proprietary vocoder, and allowing internet access via ham radio.

    I'll sign the "Allow Internet access via ham radio", with some caveats.
     
  10. N4QA

    N4QA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Hooray for the French!

    That's two wonderful presents I've received from France, this year alone!

    1) the ┬ÁChameleon

    2)Their stance on crypto/ proprietary


    Merci beaucoup !

    Bill, N4QA
     
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