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D-STAR illegal in France

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by G4TUT, Jun 29, 2010.

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  1. IZ1MKZ

    IZ1MKZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    If you love digital voice over Internet, go ahead the extra inch and use Skype on your cellphone or your laptop. Good quality, video, conference, you name it - and it's free !
    Please don't insult radio-amateurs with that "D* is the future of ham radio" bul***it. D-star is just another mobile telephone net, that's all. It should not have any space on ham bands. Nor any system using Internet.
    Let Internet be Internet and radio be radio, if you like Voip use Skype for God's sake! A good smartphone costs less money and gives you a lot more than a D* portable.....
     
  2. G4ILO

    G4ILO Ham Member QRZ Page

    I have no idea whether that is true or not but if it is then it is disgraceful. User demand not policy dictated by some unelected representatives should decide what is permitted and what is not, and I don't think there has been much demand for D-Star except from the boys with deep pockets who must always have the latest toys. As someone said, D-Star is just a glorified Echolink. I think Echolink is a good idea (when used to link radios, not just computers) but it is still used by a pretty small proportion of amateurs which doesn't suggest that there is any real need for a digital version of it. As someone else said, voice is voice, does it matter whether it is transmitted digitally or not.

    D-Star is nothing but a clever marketing exercise by Icom to try to corner the market in ham radio equipment. They have employed all kinds of leverage to get the ball rolling, for example offering groups cut price repeaters if they can raise a minimum number of orders for transceivers. No doubt they have called in favours such as their support for the RSGB's IOTA scheme in order to influence frequency allocation policy. In the USA they have persuaded emcomms groups to install D-Star networks.

    They claim it is open, but they have trademarked the name D-Star (do a search on "D-Star trademark" if you don't believe me) so if any other manufacturer were to make compatible radios they would have to carry the name of their competitor which I'm sure would stick in the throats of Yaesu and Kenwood.

    We are absolutely right to resist it, but the French government's stance has little to do with any of the above, and more to do with the dead hand of an overblown bureaucracy that finds it easier to say "no" to change. As a French ham commented on my blog post about this, the illegality of D-Star there is just one of many ways in which French amateurs are more restricted than those in the rest of Europe.
     
  3. KA2DDX

    KA2DDX Ham Member QRZ Page

    dstar?

    G3UEQ - you may have hit the nail on the head -

    otherwise, this thread sure beats the code/nocode flameout -
     
  4. K4WGE

    K4WGE Ham Member QRZ Page

  5. K7ZZY

    K7ZZY Ham Member QRZ Page

    I vaguely recall similar prognostications about 8-track players and Betamax...

    Send the ultimate message.
    Vote with your pocketbooks.
    Don't $upport anything in the digital realm which is not Open-Source!
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2010
  6. KD8MJR

    KD8MJR XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    I will never buy a D'Star Radio. At some point it's either Ham Radio or just use a cell phone! All these inbetween technologies like Echolink and Dstar just take away from the main purpose, which is worldwide independant communication system.

    BTW just to take a comment below further, I think Icom should buy their own Bandwidth for D'Star, the ARRL should be filing suit to prevent them from using D'Star on Amateur bands, after all in reality Icom is using our bands to create a monopoly on a technology that if successful means that one day in the future Icom will hold the keys to make ham radio work.
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2010
  7. K2WH

    K2WH Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    I don't think hams have "Embraced" D-Star at all. Yeah you have your loose groups and experimenters, but D-Star is still and will always be an experimental and little used mode. Packet II

    K2WH
     
  8. WA4OTD

    WA4OTD Ham Member QRZ Page

    What is the price of a fully featured DStar dual band radio and a fully featured dual band radio considering all suppliers?
     
  9. K2WH

    K2WH Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    like many other so-called digital modes, the moment one connects his rig to an external computer or allows an external computer to control his rig, the rig/ham/signal is at the mercy of the computer.

    "When all Else Fails, Ham Radio Gets Through" is quickly coming to mean nothing when the ARRL and many other groups and individuals continue to connect to the internet as a first, last or in between mile for communications then we become hypocrites.

    Isn't the internet the one medium we say can and will fail during a disaster? Then why are we feverishly connecting to that very medium that is supposed to fail? Think about it for a moment.

    I can say with certainty, if a disaster ever strikes this area where I live, I can still operate. The computer is not NOT connected to nor does this computer control any of my rigs.

    K2WH
     
  10. WA4OTD

    WA4OTD Ham Member QRZ Page

    I was thinking the same thing. What gets through when all else fails is our radios through the airwaves. What fails is cell phones, internet, etc.

     
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