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  1. W6OWH

    W6OWH QRZ Member

    AT last- what a great idea to drop the code.
        Most hams don't use it and even at 5 words per minute it keeps many good hams away (my daughter and wife included). New hams see no reason to spent a few weeks studying something they may never use. Code can always be learned later if desired. [​IMG]  
     
  2. AJ6TT

    AJ6TT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Great letter by the guys who must deal with this controversial subject every day. It's overwhelming within the VEC community to drop CW testing. Any volunteers out there that would like to replace the VEC's with their own expert ability to test the millions who would like to join, or upgade their Ham licence? I am one of those Hams that works with the latest technology professionaly, and my desire to learn Morse Code is nil. If this rule change is adopted by the FCC, I will be very active on HF, and I'm sure many others will be contributing also. Does this hurt Ham radio? I don't think so. IMHO
     
  3. WZ7U

    WZ7U Ham Member QRZ Page

    Allow me to go off topic momentarily........can anyone explain to me how so many 'banned' people still get their comments put in the thread? Not that it matters a whole lot, just curious. OK, Im going back to the radio now, enough of this computer mental masturbation. That is if REAL threats to the HF spectrum havent already made it worthless.  [​IMG]
     
  4. K4III

    K4III Ham Member QRZ Page

    For Laughs... (Whatever decision is made will probably be heavily influenced upon by external factors anyway)



    Note: More ways to REDUCE the numbers on HF or for any regulated service...



    1. Require a drug test,

    2. fingerprints,

    3. background check,

    4. credit check,

    5. ban on anyone who has broken a traffic law or committed any act illegal acts including misdemeanors and minor traffic violations,

    6. And what about those falsely advertising goods & services!



    And for CW Operators being better qualified or "elite" because of a paper/audible test...




    Do you think the DMV's driving tests which require actual driving with an "Expert"(Tester) along with a written/computerized test and knowledge of driving operations, creates only courteous, safe, and professional quality drivers? It may help, but 90% of all drivers in the USA nowadays must be unlicensed! BEEP! BEEP! ("Get outta my way, I'm late and more important than you!")



    However, if CW is removed from the tests, lets hope its section is replaced with something else that may help maintain the technical integrity and operating skills and courtesy many hams seem to find "a lack of" in the amateur service. Unfortunately, "negativity" and the "bad-side" has become an American pastime and has become socially stimulating nationally. Check out the media and news! Lets reflect on that new ham that was polite and courteous or that K9 team that recognized the capabilities of the Amateur Service during an ARES drill, or the CB-er that has become a top ARRL contester!



    For a moment, think of the future of the hobby and not your personal vendetta when commenting on the future...



    If you want to vent personally, we can always start a thread stating what you like or don't about the hobby and what activities you want to do before either the ham radio hobby is lost or you depart from the hobby.
     
  5. W6TH

    W6TH Guest

    "Revenge is mine saith the Lord."


                           Fred/W5YI, Chairman
                          NCVEC Rules Committee

            Every dog has its day, so guess it is code day.

                         Of, for and by the people,
                             we stand united.
     
  6. AB2QB

    AB2QB Ham Member QRZ Page

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wa6usa @ July 31 2003,22:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">my desire to learn Morse Code is nil.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    See thats just being lazy as I said before....
     
  7. K7IWW

    K7IWW XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Here's the real problem:

    The amateur exams are a joke. The "technical" difficulty is nothing more than memorization. I myself finished the Extra exam in FIVE MINUTES without use of a calculator and without doing any math on paper. I got two wrong, and already knew which ones they were: polar coordinates in calculation of complex impedances. I had ten days to study, and on day 9 I saw that the syllabus only listed two exam questions on that topic, so I skipped it. To this day, I don't know how to figure complex impedances using polar coordinates.

    Whereas ARRL sometimes seems to want it to be overly difficult to become licensed, W5YI often seems to want the damn thing to be a post card license...just sign here affirming that you have read Part 97.

    The average ham is a lousy operator, and I wish most of them would turn their radios off during emergencies. Hams are TOO LAZY to help out NTS, and they seem to join ARES to make themselves feel important and to wear a jacket with lots of patches. ARES is great for those of us who dropped out of Boy Scouts just shy of Eagle. We can overcompensate for the rest of our days.

    What is needed in the testing is a real emphasis on proper operating procedures, HOW TO HANDLE TRAFFIC, the organization of ARES, RACES, NTS, formal and tactical message protocols, etc.

    I propose having TWO classes of licenses: Novice and Advanced. Novice is for those who are too lazy to learn good operating practices. They can memorize all the technical stuff they will never use, because they will spend $75 for a "dipole kit" 'cuz they are afraid to solder. They can have SSB only in, say, 100 kHz segments of the main bands, with power output limited to 100 W PEP.

    To earn the Advanced, there would be another technical exam PLUS a VERY EXTENSIVE exam on operating procedures, with an emphasis on emergency communications, traffic, etc. Make it a 100 question test. Upon passage of those two additional exams, the Advanced ticket would open the door to all modes, all bands, and maximum legal power.

    Make the ham tickets lifetime, BUT require a minimum number of hours doing public service/emergency communications to keep the license. Something like 40 hours per year.

    Though I NEVER thought I would say it, elimination of the CW requirement has finally become appropriate. That having been said, as I read the W5YI petition, all I could think of was "whine, whine, whine." It could be distilled into one sentence: "It's too much work."

    WAH! WAH! WAH!

    A ham license should be an ACCOMPLISHMENT, of which one should be PROUD, because that is the way to instill a sense of importance, respect and duty.

    These comments are MY OWN only, and do not reflect the views of any organization I represent.

    - KEVIN HUNT WA7VTD
    Assistant SM, Oregon Section
    AEC, Clackamas County ARES
    ARL Volunteer Counsel
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aa7bq @ July 30 2003,09:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The attached Petition for Rulemaking (dated July 29, 2003) has been filed by the National Conference of VECs with the Secretary, FCC, Washington DC.  It requests an immediate end of Morse code testing.

    73/Fred/W5YI, Chairman
    NCVEC Rules Committee


    Before the
    FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
    Washington, D.C. 20554


    In the Matter of   )
    )
    Amendment of Part 97 of the Commission's ) RM-
    Amateur Service Rules to Eliminate )
    Morse code testing )
    )

    To:  The Commission


    PETITION FOR RULE MAKING

    The National Conference of Volunteer Examiner Coordinators (NCVEC) is
    the umbrella organization comprised of the fourteen organizations
    charged since 1984, under Section 97.519(a) of the rules of the Federal
    Communications Commission, 47 CFR 97.519(a) to develop and administer
    all Amateur Radio operator license testing and to electronically file
    all successful license applications with the FCC.  In total, the VECs
    and their more than 30,000 VE teams have collectively administered
    nearly two million examinations during the past twenty years and have
    notified the FCC to issue approximately a million new and upgraded
    Amateur Radio licenses.

    Once a year, the various Volunteer Examiner Coordinator organizations
    meet at their annual conference to discuss the various issues that
    impact Amateur Radio operator testing.  At their July 25, 2003, meeting
    held with the FCC in Gettysburg, PA, the VECs overwhelmingly agreed
    that Morse code testing should be immediately ended since it was now
    possible to do so.  It was also noted that countries have already begun
    discontinuing Morse examinations.  As a result the VECs voted to file
    this Petition asking that the FCC take expedited action to allow them
    to discontinue administering Element 1, the 5 words-per-minute
    telegraphy examination as soon as possible.

    Pursuant to Section 1.405 of the Commission's procedural rules (47
    C.F.R. 1.405), the NCVEC hereby respectfully requests that the
    Commission issue a Notice of Proposed Rule Making at an early date
    looking toward amendment of the rules governing the Amateur Radio
    Service, 47 C.F.R. 97.1 et seq., as set forth herein and in the
    attached Appendix.

    The rule changes requested herein would terminate the telegraphy
    examination requirement and permit existing Technician Class operators
    to access HF spectrum as provided in 47 C.F.R.  97.301(e) without the
    necessity of passing a Morse code examination.  This request to
    eliminate the Morse code (Element 1) examination does not necessarily
    have the support of the ARRL Board since they have yet to develop a
    position on the matter.  In support of its petition, NCVEC states as
    follows:

    I.  Introduction and Background

    Since the turn of the century, the Morse code, invented by American
    Samuel Morse and first used in 1844, has been the foundation of early
    distress and safety communications.  Although Morse code (or CW, as it
    is commonly called)  was the primary mode of communications from the
    late 19th Century through the early 20th Century, it has all but become
    obsolete in practically all other contemporary communication systems.
    Due to the emergence of satellite and digital communications, manual
    telegraphy is no longer used or required in any radio service other
    than in the Amateur Service.

    Radiotelegraphy in the maritime service has been phased out in favor of
    modern technology.  The last vestige of manual telegraphy began being
    phased out in the maritime service in 1988 when the International
    Maritime Organization adopted the Global Maritime Distress and Safety
    System (GMDSS).

    In the 1990's, countries around the world began closing down their
    distress 500 kHz calling frequency watch which had been in use since
    1912.  The final 500 kHz message sent by the U.S.  Coast Guard took
    place from station NMN (Chesapeake Virginia) on April 1, 1995, and they
    no longer monitor the frequency.

    Even though the commercial world eliminated Morse code as a
    communications medium many years ago, it has continued on the Amateur
    bands because manual Morse proficiency was an international Amateur
    Service requirement when operating on spectrum under 30 MHz.



    II.  Telegraphy requirement in the Amateur Service

    There are many communications modes and emissions available to the
    radio amateur and manual CW is just another one that certainly deserves
    no special priority.  The amateur radio operator examination process
    does not require a practical demonstration in the ability to use any
    other mode - even though more than a thousand modes and emissions are
    available to the Amateur Service.

    The international law previously required unspecified proficiency in
    the International Morse code when the operation takes place in the
    medium or high frequency bands.  Because of technological advances,
    this regulation has become inconsistent with the goals of the Amateur
    Service since it provides a barrier to otherwise qualified individuals
    who wish to experiment and communicate below 30 MHz.  There can be no
    doubt that the Morse code proficiency requirements have constituted an
    unnecessary and artificial impediment to fuller use of the Amateur
    Radio Service for many potential and existing amateurs.

    It appears that the reason that many (no-code) Technician amateurs are
    not upgrading to license classes that require telegraphy suggests that
    the Morse code requirement may be a significant barrier.

    III.  Morse code testing is a burden to the applicant

    It should be noted that while today's personal computers can easily
    send and receive telegraphy, the international Morse code "sent by hand
    and received by ear" requirement continued as a worldwide fundamental
    requirement for an amateur operator license until the recent actions by
    the International Telecommunications Union.

    The taking of the telegraphy examination is an unnecessary burden upon
    the applicant.  Experience has shown that it is more often than not a
    very stressful experience for the examinee.  With the elimination of
    the international requirement for skill in manual telegraphy, there is
    no longer any reasonable justification for requiring an applicant to
    demonstrate this antiquated skill.

    It is one that must be acquired through rote memorization of the
    character meanings of some 43 combinations of audible dots and dashes:
    26 letters of the alphabet, numerals 0 through 9, four punctuation
    marks and three characters unique to CW.   This must be followed by
    numerous practice sessions until the necessary skill is achieved.  Most
    applicants, once they pass the code exam, never use the mode on the
    amateur airwaves.  And many, perhaps most, could not pass it again if
    required to do so.

    While it continues to serve some amateur operators well, as it did in
    the early days of radio, it is now but one of many modes available to
    amateur operators.  The lack of interest in CW has turned many
    prospective amateur operators away from the Amateur Service.  IV.
    Morse proficiency is not an indication of a quality operator

    Some amateurs believe that the effort and sacrifice needed to learn
    Morse code indicates a more dedicated and, therefore, a better
    candidate for Amateur Radio.  No evidence exists, however, that
    supports a relationship between manual telegraphy proficiency and the
    quality, desirability or motivation of the operator.

    What the Morse code licensing requirement does do, however, is to
    greatly reduce the number of applicants operating in the medium and
    high frequencies.  Many people question why an individual with vast
    knowledge in the electronics field should be excluded from operating on
    HF spectrum due to a personal disinterest in the Morse code.

    Continuing the use of Morse code proficiency as a means with which to
    gauge "quality" or to limit the number of amateur radio operators
    accessing public spectrum is certainly at odds with the FCC's mandate
    to promote the wider use of radio and its commitment to the use of
    emerging technologies.

    V.  Morse proficiency should not be required to operate in the voice mode

    It appears that most amateurs want to communicate in the voice mode.
    It makes no sense from a regulatory perspective to require radio
    amateurs to be Morse proficient when the greater majority of radio
    amateurs do not desire to use that mode and there is no regulatory
    reason for them to do so.

    The future of Amateur Radio encompasses many modes undreamed of just a
    few years ago.  Although manual telegraphy is a noble part of the
    Amateur Radio's past, it is no longer the prime emission mode.

    In short, the Commission should ensure that the amateur examination
    elements are appropriate for the types of operation that will be
    performed by the licensee.

    VI.  An unnecessary burden upon the VEC system

    The administration of a CW examination imposes an unnecessary burden
    upon the VE teams who must prepare and administer the CW examinations.
    It requires extensive preparation and special equipment to prepare and
    administer properly.  It is often disruptive and unsettling to those
    other examinees who are taking one of the written examinations within
    the same room.

    Under  97.507(d), the VEs must prepare and record a series of messages
    sufficient to preclude any one message from becoming known to the
    examinees.   Each message must contain every one of the 43 telegraphy
    characters at least once during period of at least 5 minutes.  At the
    prescribed speed of 5 words per minute, and at the prescribed 5
    characters per word, the message is little more than 25 words in
    length.  In practice, it is a difficult task to compose a realistic
    message under these limitations.  It is also an unnecessary burden upon
    the coordinating VECs since most of them also prepare telegraphy
    examinations for their VE teams.

    VII.  An unnecessary burden upon the amateur service community

    The amateur service community suffers from the loss to its ranks of a
    large number of potentially excellent operators who are turned away
    because of the CW requirement.  Either because of lack of the requisite
    aptitude for sending and receiving CW or because of an unwillingness to
    spend the time acquiring a skill for which they find of no value to
    them, they forego becoming amateur operators.

    VIII.  An unnecessary burden upon the FCC

    Now that the international (treaty) Morse code requirement is optional,
    the FCC can expect to receive numerous requests for waivers of the
    Morse code examination due to applicant hearing and other medical
    conditions in order to be compliant with the Americans with
    Disabilities Act (ADA).

    When there were multiple code tests, the FCC cited the international
    (treaty) requirement, as the reason that the five word-per-minute code
    test could not be waived.  This case no longer applies and the FCC will
    have to develop procedures to guide both themselves and the VECs/VEs in
    handling requests for code exam waivers that are certain to come.

    Dealing with requests for a waiver of the code exam could create an
    unnecessary burden on the FCC and VECs/VEs and consume an excessive
    amount of time and resources.  It seems illogical to require all
    amateur examinees to pass a requirement that could be waived by the
    actions of a physician.  History has shown that physician-initiated
    waiver requests have been very controversial in the Amateur Service.

    IX.  World Administrative Radio Conference 2003

    The only changes made to the international Amateur Service regulations
    over the last 75 years concern the frequency above which amateurs may
    operate without Morse testing.  At their Washington, DC conference in
    1927, the ITU (then called the International Telegraph Union) allocated
    frequency bands to the various radio services and established operating
    guidelines and operator qualifications.  It was deemed important that
    Amateurs prove an ability to transmit and receive communications in
    Morse signals since, at the time, radiotelegraphy was the primary means
    of long range communication.

    Since then, the administrations comprising International
    Telecommunication Union have reviewed and voted to relax the Amateur
    Service's mandatory Morse proficiency requirement at every
    international conference capable of doing so.

    In 1947 (Atlantic City), the ITU agreed that Morse proficiency should
    only be required when the operation took place on frequencies below
    1000 MHz (1 GHz.)  At WARC-59, the 1959 World Administrative Radio
    Conference, this level dropped to 144 MHz.  A further reduction was
    made at WARC-79 to 30 MHz.  Consequently, up until recently, Article
    S25.5 3 read:  25.5    3.    1) Any person seeking a license to
    operate the apparatus of an amateur station shall prove that he is able
    to send correctly by hand and to receive correctly by ear, texts in
    Morse code signals. The administrations concerned may, however, waive
    this requirement in the case of stations making use exclusively of
    frequencies above 30 MHz.

    At WRC-2003, the international Radio Regulation Article S25.5  3 was
    revised to make the Morse code testing requirement a matter for each
    licensing administration to decide for itself.  Effective July 5, 2003,
    Article S25.5 3 reads:  25.5     3.    1) Administrations shall
    determine whether or not a person seeking a license to operate an
    amateur station shall demonstrate the ability to send and receive texts
    in Morse code signals.

    X.  Summary of NCVEC proposal to end Morse testing

    The attached appendix contains a list of the rules that must be amended
    if Morse code examinations are to be discontinued.  These amendments
    propose merely to end the manual telegraphy examination and to permit
    Technician Class operators the same frequency privileges as those
    enjoyed by Technician Class operators who have passed a code exam.

    Therefore, the foregoing considered, NCVEC, the National Conference of
    Volunteer Examiner Coordinators, respectfully requests that the
    Commission issue a Notice of Proposed Rule Making at any early date,
    proposing the rule changes set forth herein, and in the appendix
    attached hereto.

    Respectfully submitted,

    NCVEC, National Conference of VECs
    P.O. Box 565101, Dallas, Texas 75356


    By:___
    Frederick O. Maia, W5YI, Chairman,
    NCVEC Rules Committee

    July 29, 2003

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




    -----------
    APPENDIX
    PROPOSED RULES

    Proposed changes to Part 97 of Chapter I of Title 47 of the Code of
    Federal Regulations to delete references to the Morse code exam
    element.  Part 97, is amended as follows:

    PART 97 -- AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE

    1.  Section 97.301 is amended by revising paragraph (e) to read as
    follows.  The frequency tables in Section 97.301(a), (b), ©, (d) and
    (e) remain unchanged.

    97.301 Authorized frequency bands.

    The following transmitting frequency bands are available to an amateur
    station located within 50 km of the Earth's surface, within the
    specified ITU Region, and outside any area where the amateur service is
    regulated by any authority other than the FCC.  
    (d) ******
    (e) For a station having a control operator who has been granted an
    operator license of Novice Class, Technician Class or Technician Plus
    Class:


    Wavelength  ITU Region 1  ITU Region 2  ITU Region 3    Sharing
                                                         requirements,
         see  97.303
       

    HF        MHz          MHz           MHz              paragraph:  

    80 m      3.675-3.725  3.675-3.725   3.675-3.725     (a)
    40 m      7.050-7.075  7.10-7.15     7.050-7.075     (a)
    15 m      21.10-21.20  21.10-21.20   21.10-21.20
    10 m      28.1-28.5    28.1-28.5     28.1-28.5

    VHF       MHz          MHz           MHz
    1.25 m    - -          222-225       - -             (a)

    UHF       MHz          MHz           MHz
    23 cm     1270-1295    1270-1295     1270-1295 (h)(i)


    2.  Section 97.307 is amended by deleting paragraph (f)(9) and revising
    paragraph (f)(10) to read as follows.  Previous  97.307(f)(10) is
    renumbered to (f)(9).   Paragraphs (f)(11) to (f)(13) are renumbered to
    (f)(10) to (f)(12).

     97.307 Emission standards.

    (f) The following standards and limitations apply to transmissions on
    the frequencies specified in 97.305© of this part.  (10)    A
    station having a control operator holding a Novice Class, Technician
    Class or Technician Plus operator license may only transmit a CW
    emission using the international Morse code or phone emissions J3E and
    R3E.



    3.  Section 97.313 is amended by revising paragraph ©(2) to read as follows:

    97.313 Transmitter power standards.

    (b) ******
    © No station may transmit with a transmitter power exceeding 200 W PEP on:
    (1) ******
    (2) The 28.1-28.5 MHz segment when the control operator is a Novice Class operator, a
    Technician Class operator or a Technician Plus Class; or
    (3) ******


    4.  Section 97.501 is amended by revising paragraph (a) and (b) to read as follows.

    97.501 Qualifying for an amateur operator license.

    Each applicant must pass an examination for a new amateur operator license grant and for each change in
    operator class.  Each applicant for the class of operator license grant specified below must pass, or
    otherwise receive examination credit for, the following examination elements:
    (a) Amateur Extra Class operator: Elements 2, 3, and 4;
    (b) General Class operator: Elements 2, and 3;
    © ******


    5.  Section 97.503 is amended by deleting paragraph (a).

    97.503 Element standards.

    (b) ******


    6.  Section 97.505 is amended by revising paragraph (a)(1), (a)(2), and (a)(3) to read as follows.  
    Paragraphs (a)(5), (a)(7), and (a)(9) are deleted.

    97.505 Element credit.

    (a) The administering VEs must give credit as specified below to an examinee holding any of the
    following license grants or license documents:
    (1) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for renewal) FCC-granted
    Advanced Class operator license grant: Elements 2 and 3.
    (2) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for renewal) FCC-granted General
    Class operator license grant: Elements 2 and 3.
    (3) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for renewal) FCC-granted
    Technician Plus Class operator license grant: Element 2
    (4) ******
    (6) ******
    (8) ******
    (b) ******



    7.  Section 97.507 is amended by revising paragraph (a), (a)(2), and © to read as follows.  Paragraph (d)
    is deleted.

    97.507 Preparing an examination.

    (a) Each written question set administered to an examinee must be prepared by a VE holding an
    Amateur Extra Class operator license.  A written question set may also be prepared for the following
    elements by a VE holding an operator license of the class indicated:
    (1) ******
    (2) Element 2: Advanced, General, or Technician (including Technician Plus) Class
    operators.
    (b) *******
    © Each written question set administered to an examinee for an amateur operator license must be
    prepared, or obtained from a supplier, by the administering VEs according to instructions from the
    coordinating VEC.


    8.  Section 97.509 is amended by revising paragraph (f) to read as follows.  Paragraph (g) is deleted.

    97.509 Administering VE requirements.

    (e) ******
    (f) No examination that has been compromised shall be administered to any examinee.  The same
    question set may not be re-administered to the same examinee.
    (h) ******

    -------------------------------------------
    (1)
    The following organizations have entered into an agreement with the FCC
    to coordinate Amateur Radio examinations: Anchorage Amateur Radio Club,
    Anchorage, AK; American Radio Relay League (ARRL), Newington, CT;
    CAVEC, Inc., Huntsville, AL; Golden Empire Amateur Radio Society,
    Chico, CA; Greater L.A. Amateur Radio Group, North Hills, CA; Jefferson
    Amateur Radio Club, New Orleans, LA; Laurel Amateur Radio Club, Inc.;
    Laurel, MD; The Milwaukee Radio Amateurs' Club, Inc., Milwaukee, WI;
    MO-KAN VEC Coordinator, Richmond, KS; Sandarc-VEC, La Mesa, CA;
    Sunnyvale VEC Amateur Radio Club, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA; W4VEC, High
    Point, NC; W5YI-VEC, Dallas, TX; Western Carolina Amateur Radio Society
    VEC, Inc., Knoxville, TN.  

    The United Kingdom's Regulatory Authority
    published a "Gazette Notice" on July 25, 2003, discontinuing all Morse
    code testing in their Amateur Service effective July 26, 2003.  The
    effect was that all "Class B" (no code) radio amateurs in Great Britain
    who previously were restricted to operation above 30 MHz obtained
    "Class A" access to all Amateur bands.  This can be confirmed at the
    Radio Society of Great Britain's website at:  <http://www.rsgb.org>
    and/or the UK "Regulatory Authority" (their telecom regulator) website
    at: <http://www.radio.gov.uk>.  In addition, effective July 15, 2003,
    radio amateurs in Switzerland were given immediate "provisional"
    authority to operate on the HF amateur bands by the Swiss Federal
    Office of Communications (OFCOM) while they await formal rulemaking.
    Citing the recent WRC-03 decision, OFCOM said the temporary permission
    to use the HF bands would suffice until the regulation could be
    changed.  Many other countries are rumored to be in the process of
    discontinuing Morse code testing.
    See 47 C.F.R.  503(a.)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    The attached Petition for Rulemaking (dated July 29, 2003) has been filed by the National Conference of VECs with the Secretary, FCC, Washington DC. It requests an immediate end of Morse code testing.

    I do not support this proposed rule in any way.
     
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    KE4IPW: When you learn how to post on a web board I might even listen to your comments.

    Go back to the top of your post, hit EDIT and remove the original post by the webmaster from your comment. Adding another 23KB to the post for your one-line comment is insane.
     
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    Guest Guest

    Got to agree with you there w7com... What a waste of bandwidth and server space..............
     
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    Guest Guest

    QUOTE: W2DUG

    I can't imagine how passing the test could be more gratifying than having your first CW QSO at any speed, and you don't need to take a test for that one...it IS the test!


    QUOTE: NJ1K
    You can't imagine it because you haven't done it!!!!!

    Do it and you might understand!!!!!!!!

    QUOTE W2DUG
    Wait a minute...you're telling me that you got more satisfaction from passing the test than having CW QSOs?

    I thought the whole point of learning the code was to use it on the air, not just for the sake of passing a test! Isn't that what all you old timers have been telling us all along?

    If you want to use it, you have to learn it with or without a test. If you learn it, you are benefitting from it. The test isn't the benefit, USING IT is the benefit. If the test is required, then you take it. If it's not, you don't, but either way the code has been learned and can be applied.

    Maybe you didn't get my point, NJ1K. I guess as a beginner and a no-coder, I should expect to get trashed even if I DO make a point in favor of code. That must be the modern-day elmering program in action.

    NJ1K
    I wanted to be a ham op ever since I was 7 or 8 years old... Friends and relatives always told me I was was not smart enough to learn code.... Even my own family said that.... In my teens I got into CB but still always wanted to be a ham... Everyone on CB told me the same thing, that I was not smart enough to learn code... Finally one day I decided I was going to get my ham ticket and nothing was going to stop me.... I studied code and the license manuals... 5 wpm was rather easy but really nothing to get excited about... The thing is, I couldn't get to 13 wpm without on the air experience and 20wpm seemed insurmountable... But all the time I spent on the air with CW paid off because my speed snuck right up on me and I was at 20 wpm in less than a year... Then came the 20 wpm test and even I was surprised when I passed it... So in short, making CW qso's is pretty cool, but knowing how much work it took to get that extra ticket hanging on my wall is to me the most satisfying... Oh yeah, and all those people who always said I was not smart enough to learn code?? Well, they are STILL on the chicken band and when family comes to visit, I make sure to point out my degrees AND licenses on the wall....

    Now, if you just go out and do it, then you will be able to understand what it's like to pass a code test AND make qso's with CW.... Although I have to tell ya, there's not a lot of thrill in passing a 5 wpm code test... When ya pass the 13 and then the 20, that's something to get excited about.....
     
  12. w0tut

    w0tut Ham Member QRZ Page

    Well I didnt read all the letters of the " the GOOD,
    the BAD and the UGLY."But on the basis of being a
    BURDON or UNNECESSARY BURDON, why not just end
    all tests. But the FCC will see through all this B.S.

    I think Cliff Stoll in his excelent book"Silicon Snake Oil."
    sums up my feelilngs on the matter and here are some
    excerpts:

    FROM CLIFF STOLLS BOOK "SILICON SNAKE OIL"(HIS C/S IS K7TA)


    DADS showing me how to solder-we've just fixed an old Philco radio that
    picks up shortwave stations. Through the static and whistles, you can
    hear Radio Moscow, Voice of America, and the BBC. Sandwiched
    between them, ham-radio stations beeping in Morse code.
    Nifty: the wotld's right behind my tuning dial, brought to life
    by a dozen vacuum tubes glowing in the dark.


    1 "Learn Morse code and you can get on the air," my dad, who was
    truly a nice guy, tells me. He grew up in the Depression; knowing a
    skill meant having a job.
    I study my dots and dashes, and eventually those beeps on the
    radio start making sense. Meanwhile, I'm learning enough electron-
    ics to draw the schematic of a Colpitts crystal oscillator, the one with
    the tapped capacitors between grid, cathode, and ground. Built it,
    too--using vacuum tubes and transformers salvaged from an old
    RCA television. With ten watts, that home-brew transmitter drew
    less power than a lightbulb.
    After an interminable six-week wait, my radio license arrives in
    the mail. ute on a Saturday night, I'm wearing black headphones
    and nervously tuning across the 80-meter ham band. Through static
    and whistles, I hear a Canadian ham testing his rig. I tap out a call
    and-hot damn-he answers me. We exchange signal reports, a few
    comments on the weather, and then a galumphingly powerful station
    blots him out. The whole exchange couldn't have lasted more than
    five minutes.
    Yowsa-talking through a telegraph key at five words a minute,
    I've reached a ham a hundred miles away. Nothing more than air
    between us.
    Over the next years, those vacuum tubes resonated around the
    globe. I came to appreciate the terse messages telegraphed with
    rhythms like iambic poetry. Dad watched over my shoulder as I'd
    zero-beat a DX station from Kanazawa, Japan; he'd smile as I'd
    scribble out call signs from around the wotld.
    Today, well, why bother with amateur radio? You can call Tai-
    wan from your telephone. Attach a modem to your PC and exchange
    e-mail with a student in Afghanistan. Or aim a satellite dish at the
    Galaxy-5 transponder and tune in Cable News Network. But then,
    -
    "you'll never feel the tingle of a chirping Morse-code signal warbling in across Lake Erie."

    Not exactly the same thrill when I first hooked onto the
    Arpanet. After plowing through the Internet packet protocol, I
    kludged together a program that sent my first packets across the
    continent. They reached a file server, and back came my reply.
    Nifty, yes, but I'd only followed niles-anyone who reads the
    Internet packet protocol gets the same result. As the Arpanet evolved
    into the Internet, those thrills disappeared, leaving a useful tool in
    their absence. And that useful tool, so widely promoted, feels like it's
    evolving into a glorified citizens band radio.
    Words have consequence, whether sent in mail or posted to
    global newsgroups. And publicly posted insults, alongside racist or
    sexist remarks and extremist polemics, are hardly the hallmark of a
    friendly community. Consideration, kindness, and chosen words go
    far, whether on the air, online, or in person.

    Come up on 20 cw and get in on the fun. And I will slow
    down for ur 5wpm.

    73 de Joe w0tut (member Collins Collectors ASSn)
     
  13. N2NVH

    N2NVH Ham Member QRZ Page

    Kudos to the NCVEC... Not only for coming to the realization that the cancer known as morse code proficiency testing must be eradicated so that the amateur radio body may survive, but also for its willingness to openly support such position.
     
  14. N0XAS

    N0XAS Ham Member QRZ Page

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kg4ogn @ July 30 2003,11:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">{I passed my 5 WPM, did you?}[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    Yes, twice - for Noice once upon a time and again for Tech+. Then 13WPM for General. By the time I upgraded to Extra, only 5WPM was required.

    Things change.

    73,
    Dale - N0XAS
     
  15. K0ZZE

    K0ZZE Ham Member QRZ Page

    you know i have posted some real goofy stuff,well cuz im goofy!!!! but i am sick and tired of being bashed becuz im a tech!!!! tech's cant solder, tech's cant make anything they just memorize the questions and pass!!! i am personaly tired of hearing this sh_t!!!!!!! i build my own antennas. i am curantly building a set of stacked quads.i would have went out and bought everything if it wasnt for a nice ham that told me it was retarded to buy a antenna when i can easiley build one.if they still made heathkit 2 meter kit i would be building my own rig to. so stop bashing and start listening,we are your future ,guide us and we will take care of you when you cant flick your little keyer anymore!!!!!! it all boils down to we are all hams,we need to stick together if you feel that being a general or a extra that has passed the code with more than the 5wpm and are better than tyhe rest and look down on the rest then i think it is you that should be the first to go. pride and ego gets you nowhere.helping others and not bitching gets you everywhere.
     
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