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Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by KD5W, Jul 18, 2021 at 7:04 PM.

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  1. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Experimenting is good stuff. The problem is when something doesn't work, it begs for the curiousity to understand further. These days, there are more than ample resources to find this sort of info out: use failure as an incentive to learn--MO:)

    73
    Chip W1YW
     
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  2. W5CJA

    W5CJA XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Same here and agreed. If this is what I'm constrained to, I'll take it over nothing. I've had mobile hamsticks on a balcony railing, horizontal loops in attics, 2m verticals on cookie sheets in the garage...anything to get on the air and if a LOG is all I have...so be it.
     
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  3. KC7JNJ

    KC7JNJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    He did say he was talking about folks in a HOA. (He defined his demographic for this video at the beginning ) You folks who have property and resources to put up the perfect antenna I say good for you. But you are not the folks this video was made for. There many hams who are doing all they can to be on the air in some way. Some guys just dont have a clue what it is like to be on land that is antenna confined.
     
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  4. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    I think most of us have a very good experience and or recollection of such restrictions. For example, getting OTA from a dorm room, among others. Or an apartment on the 27th floor (which thus motivated the invention of fractal antennas).

    Antennas on the ground are possibly the worst of all the compromised options that can be explored in an HOA. Sorry to say, but it really is not factual to believe otherwise, because of the physics of the transmission line phase cancellation..

    73
    Chip W1YW
     
  5. KC7JNJ

    KC7JNJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Ya I get it... But when you are under such restrictions you experiment. You look for all sorts of ways to get on the air. You end up learning somethings dont work and something do.
     
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  6. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    ...which is what I said. See post #21.

    But you can't stop there.

    What I am saying is if you honor your own curiousity, you will continue to use failure to LEARN what's been done before, not try to invent the wheel as a square--each time:) Then your experimenting will take interesting and valuable new turns as you forge ahead.

    73
    Chip W1YW
     
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  7. UT7UX

    UT7UX Ham Member QRZ Page

    Especially with chile sauce!

    However in my part of the world hams mostly rely on curtain rods made of a metal-like material. :D
     
  8. UT7UX

    UT7UX Ham Member QRZ Page

    Nope. Everyone knows electronics works on magic smoke. When the smoke comes out of an apparatus it dies. Smoky rosin is essentially required to reanimate the apparatus. No any physics here. :rolleyes:
     
  9. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Ham radio was, and is, a technical enterprise. It should NEVER be our defense to do things that are known to be contrary to the established physics. That doesn't mean frontiers of the physics aren't game. But putting an antenna on grass and defending the action --when the explanation for the poor performance is profferred--should never ever be acceptable to a service that is defined to 'enhance the radio art'.

    Again to wit:

    "Antennas on the ground are possibly the worst of all the compromised options that can be explored in an HOA. Sorry to say, but it really is not factual to believe otherwise, because of the physics of the transmission line phase cancellation."

    In other words, we agree:)

    73
    Chip W1YW
     
  10. KK9W

    KK9W Ham Member QRZ Page

    My LoG is often the difference between a contact and no contact or just a more pleasurable listening experience by knocking out noise. You can't work them if you can't hear them and sometimes the 80M OCF isn't the winner between the two. That makes the LoG a useful tool due to its characteristics. No claims from me that it's a star performer of all things wire and space but sometimes it's what works better in that instance and that's all I need it for.
     
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