ARRL Proposes New Entry Level License Class w/ HF

NØELW,
Well close but again no cigar. Yes I had a net on 3857 for several years and I also had a net on 3830 for about 10 years. Art W6OBB did drop in and visit our group on occasion, but after he retired the second time he had one of his tantrums and moved to another frequency,so yes you were close, but just not experienced enough to have all the facts straight.....HIHI

 

Title: Instant gratification.
I have heard the word 'compromise' numerous times in these posts and this liberal approach to everything these days makes me sick. Did compromise make anything stronger, or better? Did compromise win any wars? Did you ever hear Winston Churchill suggest compromising with the Nazis?
Didn't YOUR parents teach you that anything worth having was worth some work to obtain? Remember the rush of accomplishment you felt when you passed your first, second, or other ham tests, or for that matter, all the other small and large things in your life you earned? Just open your dictionary and look up 'INCENTIVE'. Add incentive to licensing and you do not see 'compromise' there anywhere. For those of you who rationalize that you don't really NEED to learn the code to push your mike button, I say this: If a Cub Scout can learn Morse code with some minimum level of proficiency, what's YOUR excuse? Why is it that grown men are so intimidated by something which takes so little work to learn, but grants them the key to something so worth having? (or is it?) 73, wa2rug PS Don't forget to vote for your 'compromise' president so Mr. Bush can have a little sport to make the next election interesting.

 

Don't you just love all that QRM thats coming to the amatuer bands nearest you when they unleash 350,000(Techs&Tech+s) new generals to the amatuer band. It kind of sounds like 11 meters. Oh well, I quess I'll have to trade-in my 2kw amp for a 10kw amplifier.

 

I don’t feel sorry for any of you whinging old farts. The intelligence level of the average QSO is so low these days it will be welcome relief to inject new blood into the hobby. You geezers have had you way long enough. In fact, if you are so put out by the coming changes, I might suggest a website for you. www.ebay.com

K6BBC

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wa2rug @ Jan. 24 2004,14:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Title: Instant gratification.
I have heard the word 'compromise' numerous times in these posts and this liberal approach to everything these days makes me sick. Did compromise make anything stronger, or better? Did compromise win any wars? Did you ever hear Winston Churchill suggest compromising with the Nazis?
Didn't YOUR parents teach you that anything worth having was worth some work to obtain? Remember the rush of accomplishment you felt when you passed your first, second, or other ham tests, or for that matter, all the other small and large things in your life you earned? Just open your dictionary and look up 'INCENTIVE'. Add incentive to licensing and you do not see 'compromise' there anywhere. For those of you who rationalize that you don't really NEED to learn the code to push your mike button, I say this: If a Cub Scout can learn Morse code with some minimum level of proficiency, what's YOUR excuse?  Why is it that grown men are so intimidated by something which takes so little work to learn, but grants them the key to something so worth having?  (or is it?) 73, wa2rug  PS Don't forget to vote for your 'compromise' president so Mr. Bush can have a little sport to make the next election interesting.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Leave it to the cub scouts guy. I do not want to learn it nor would I ever use it. CW is fine for others but not for me. I'll support your right to use it and a sub band to use it exclusive of other modes.

As for knowing code to push a mic button or build an antenna or build a radio... CW has nothing to do with them. You can do all these things without knowing CW. Your statements hold no water because the two things are separate. Though not in your mind I see...


Oh and yes... I will vote for Mr Bush again just like I voted against SW and CM. (1) Not all no coders are so "left" as you might think.


http://www.goodbyecynthia.com/

 

K4RJJ,
Well you can resent to your hearts content, I have no way of knowing how you got your ticket, I can only presume you did it in a legitimate way, not everyone has these days. Many Licensed Amateurs today have never heard of Part 97 and don't have the foggiest notion what it is all about.
As to ARRL I encourage you to join, as they are the only recognized spokeman for Amateur radio. Every licensed Amateur should do their part to share the burden of cost. But like anything now a days many like to sponge off the efforts of others. I have even noticed the Socialistic standards being adopted by this country have all ready found their way into Amateur Radio, mostly via the educational system. Wise men have proclaimed for centuries, get them young and fill their heads and they will support your cause when they are grown.
I did not agree with not only the provisions of this agreement but also the way it was handled,I don't feel the wishes of the  membership is being given enough consideration, and I have made my displeasure known. However I have a better chance of making change from the inside than standing in the cold with my nose pressed against the glass.

ORV
K6UEY
ARRL Life Member

 

---------------------K4rjj-

I will vote for G.W. Bush as I know good from bad. I also believe in the third world order.  You won't find that on ham radio.

Save your money and forget about joining the ARRL as you are joining a club which has control over you and your vote will never count.
                       
                          ARRL

ARRL, you can catch more flies with sugar and honey and you can kill many flies with poison spray.

Stay with selling your magazines as they were the best when ham radio was ham radio.  You know your books, but little about life and the consumption of success.

Should ever ham radio fail and diminish, you will be the fault as your leadership is also the failure.

What a bunch of sad sacks.. SNAFU.

P.S.  SNAFU means: Situation normal, all "fouled" up. A military term.
Sad sacks means bags filled with (?). Another military term.

                                   .:

 

To: K6BBC

Whatever turns your crank. All I've got to say is make sure have a huge amplifier to break thru all the QRM when they unleash 350,000 new generals to the amatuer bands 50kw amp sounds about right. The hams right now according to ARRL numbers is 337,000( general to extra). Welcome to the big mess. Will all be jamming together on the general portion. One question how do you fit 150,000 Qso's in 58khz bandwidth on 18 meters?
How do fit 150,000 Qso,s on 20 meters if the general portion was 14.150mhz to 14.350mhz if each radio was limited to 3khz bandwidth? This is not taking in account the rest of the world amatuers. Like I said welcome to the big mess.

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K6UEY @ Jan. 24 2004,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">K4RJJ,
Well you can resent to your hearts content, I have no way of knowing how you got your ticket, I can only presume you did it in a legitimate way, not everyone has these days. Many Licensed Amateurs today have never heard of Part 97 and don't have the foggiest notion what it is all about.
As to ARRL I encourage you to join, as they are the only recognized spokeman for Amateur radio. Every licensed Amateur should do their part to share the burden of cost. But like anything now a days many like to sponge off the efforts of others. I have even noticed the Socialistic standards being adopted by this country have all ready found their way into Amateur Radio, mostly via the educational system. Wise men have proclaimed for centuries, get them young and fill their heads and they will support your cause when they are grown.
I did not agree with not only the provisions of this agreement but also the way it was handled,I don't feel the wishes of the  membership is being given enough consideration, and I have made my displeasure known. However I have a better chance of making change from the inside than standing in the cold with my nose pressed against the glass.

ORV
K6UEY
ARRL Life Member[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You should assume I got it that way unless you have evidence to the contrary. I have a copy of the exam credits signed by 3 extra class ops here in Atlanta that trump anything you have to say in the matter. It's very clear to me that you don't really care about no code techs and wish we would all just quit and take our toys to another sandbox. That is very clear from your posts.

 

K4RJJ,
No as a matter of fact with all the rumors about Hollingsworth haveing to suspend VE's and investigations about the W5YI testing procedures back in the 4 land it would be pretty naive of me to assume anything. And where in Hell would I get proof of any thing otherwise, I have never seen a VE or a test site or  do I even know of any, I did all my testing before an FCC examiner at the field office.
If it is very clear to you that I dislike all no-coders then I have done a poor job of expressing myself. I do however object to what they have done to the Technician Class of license, they being ARRL/FCC. The original technician ticket tested only on 5 wpm code but was the same test the Generals took for theory, now it is 2 different watered down tests and the tech class has been down graded to an entry level ticket. What I do object to is smart asses who come in as a tech and decide they now know all there is to know about Ham Radio.All the entry level does is put a name on the list of those who want to learn and expand their technical knowledge base. A tech ticket is not an Engineering degree. Your self now you are proclaiming you do not need CW there for need not to learn it. That leads me to believe one or two things, first of all you do not understand what Ham radio is all about, otherwise you would not want to limit your choices of operation so drastically. The other choice is that you are not suited for Ham radio for what ever reasons you have for the lack of interest. In my opinion the first can be overcome by proper education as to what is really going on, it is only a matter of ignorance. The second has no cure and yes if you were to take your toys to another sand box your leaving would never be noticed. I put the second group in a giant catagory including the stupid, the Bad attitude,chip on the shoulder type and several others who can not contribute to the Amateur society.
With our limited exchange I would guess you are in the 1st catagory, but I have no way of knowing. Actually there is a third catagory of technician but you have to be fast to catch them, as they usually take all the tests and up grade to full status in a short period of time, and enjoy all the benefits Ham radio can provide. They are the few of the newbies who know what Ham Radio is all about and appreciate all it's benefits. When I run across them I try to help as much as I can, but they are usually self motivated and need little help from others, they are the ones who will make a considerable contribution to Ham Radio.

ORV
K6UEY
ARRL Life Member

 

get your facts straight aprox. 100,000 at the most. BTW WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE OF INFO????. change is GOOD in this case. BRING IT ON. SUPPORT THE ARRL PROPOSAL. let us have some new BLOOD into the service.for A MAJOR CHANGE. we need CHANGE for the survival of the service PERIOD. TOM N2NZJ       73      

 

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k4rjj says:
                It's very clear to me that you don't really care about no code techs.
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Well I didn't make contact with you and it was another, but i will give you my answer and this is it:

You got that right and if you do not pass the cw test required then my feelings for you are that i do not consider you a ham radio operator. I consider you as in the class of a cb'er with amateur privileges. A class advantage that only a few obtain.

I am a very outspoken person so I refuse to hold back.  Enjoy what you have and stop your complaining.

A little birdy sat on my window sill this morning and said to me, cheer up, things could get worse, sure enough, I cheered up and things got worse.

                         73 my friend.

                                   .:

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6th @ Jan. 24 2004,15:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I will vote for G.W. Bush as I know good from bad.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Excuse me?

On Monday, you are in for a bombshell... Two NATO active duty officers will be coming forward in New Hampshire to provide proof positive Bush knew the 9/11 attacks were going to happen and how and when.

Yesterday, Inspector David Kay announced that Saddam was probably telling the truth all along. [http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/24/politics/24WEAP.html]

Monday, the grand jury begins on Bush's "outing" of Valerie Plame, a CIA agent tasked with tracking those trading in WMD. [http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/24/politics/24LEAK.html]

And of course, you can check out Record Group 131 of the Office of the Alien Property Custodian [talk to Alice at NARA in Bethesda]. The Bush Family helped create Hitler! Your President is Hitler's Banker's Grandson! He ain't my President.

I haven't met a Republican yet that knows good from bad.

 

No Morse code exam, good. Let's not stop there though, eliminagte the written exam. It serves no real purpose and besides I don't want to know all of that technical/regulatory ****. Every rig should come with a post card form. Just fill in your name and address and mail it to the ARRL (Who needs the FCC). The ARRL will assign you a call sign and you are an instant HAM. Hay, it worked for CB.

 

Fight BPL with --- 350,000 new HF users!

(and force the FCC to spend $100,000 in postage in one shot to mail out new licenses! -- that'l show em.)

All in fun,

Keith (N8XD)