That's likely true. I didn't claim you were, only that you fit a similar profile. I passed the testing required at the time, which is all anyone can say. Your "work" was also something that even then children not even old enough to drive would pass. There's no "work". There's no "earned". There's only a license as specified by the government. Amateur radio isn't a club, it's a government construct. If you want a club that people have to "work" to enter then create one, and set the standards for entry as you like. Right, you are not mocking any one. Okay, if you say so. I'm bitter over this because it's comments like yours that are driving people away. If people keep getting mocked for a supposed lack of skill then they will go where they are welcomed. Everyone starts somewhere. It appears your memory faded on what it means to be young and inexperienced. You mean like not calling them lazy for not upgrading? Calling this proposal a bunch of Technician license holders looking for a "freebie"? That kind of bitching? There's two ways I see to fix the problem of newcomers not upgrading. We can change what privileges Technician has, or we can rip up the current licensing and start over. What has me "argumentative" is a failure of too many to see what Amateur radio looks like from the outside. We have a license structure for Amateur radio that was created in the 1950s and has only had patchwork changes made since. The calls for nothing to change isn't going to work. Something needs to give. We can give those with Technician a reason to upgrade by giving them bits and pieces of freedom to operate on HF, or we can expect Technician to grow and everything else to shrink. They outnumber you. You can make suggestions now on changes or wait and have no say in the matter. It appears you'd rather have no say. Which is fine by me. That's fine, I'll just make my point to the rest of the readers and use your comment as a launching point for my comments.