Motorola Solutions Files Suit Against Hytera Communications Over Alleged Theft of DMR Technology

Similar has already happened to Motorola:
https://www.engadget.com/2010/07/21...-and-several-former-employees-for-stealing-w/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704684604575381362665259760

The fallout from this was that the U.S. gov't refused to allow Huawei's 4G networking equipment into the USA.

Sadly, industrial espionage is quite real and a clear danger to U.S. interests.

Interestingly, I've designed a small carrier's cellular network using Huawei 2G and 3G RF base station equipment and associated cellular site servers -- sold by Lemko. I wasn't too happy about it, but it paid the bills and helped me raise my kids.

 

I have two tags on my Epiphone Casino guitar.

#1.) Handcrafted in China.

#2.) 100% inspected and set up in the USA by Epiphone.

I have always tried to avoid purchasing products made in China (but sometimes they are the only choice) because of the slave/indentured servitude labor that they use in manufacturing their products and also the poor quality and QCing of their products and their long history of theft of intellectual property.

But I have to say that my $500 Chinese made Epiphone Casino is built just as good as my MIA $1500 Fender Telecaster and Stratocaster guitars. As time has passed China has been getting better at manufacturing their products.

 

I haven't bought an MIA Strat in 15 years...

I make 'Fender' guitars custom-made from Fender bodies and necks....there is a cottage industry of folks that do this(like me). Note that I do NOT sell these as 'Fender guitars' and rarely sell at all...(and am not selling any now).

Two I made last year:





Spalted (rotted)wood is nasty stuff--fungal spores there--so you have to wear a mask and eyewear (when sanding) and until the clear coat is set. Careful cleanup.

I did NOT paint the Strat pickguard, but bought on EBay from a talented fellow.

Any 'fractal' patterns are purely intentional.

You can't get this level of artisanship from Fender....even in the Custom Shop.

The bodies are already routed , so I am an 'assembler' for the most part. Takes anywhere from 20-90 hours to do it right.

All are one of a kind...

 

Some of the basic DMR technology was developed by Motorola, not ETSI. Motorola holds patents on this technology, but they submitted this technology to ETSI, to become part of the DMR standard.

By the way, an "open standard" is not the same as "open source".

John Rayfield, Jr.

 

Do you remember when Bill Clinton gave the Chinese government a copy of our entire patent library and then OKed the selling of super computers to them.
And you wonder how they got ahead so fast. Things like this are not good for our country, I wonder how much money the Clintons got under the table for this.
Follow the money trail.
WA4DJS

 

You should see what happened to AM General in Indiana! They produce the HMMWV, and the chinese expresses interest. AMG foolishly sent 2 Humvees to china where they were promptly completely disassembled and copied.
http://chinaautoweb.com/car-models/eq-20502058-from-dongfeng-motors/

 

Hasta La Vista... baby!

 

Paid for Chelsea's Stanford tuition, maybe? ;-)

 

GOOD FOR MOTOROLA. These Chinese rip-off companies are no friends to hams. Sure, they sell exceptionally CHEAP equipment. Why is it so cheap???? They're not innovating, they're just copying what others have been developing , then dumping their crap on the market at a price no real company can compete with.

When the Chinese have run ICOM, Kenwood, Yaesu, Elecraft, and others out of business, you can sit there with your crappy Baofang and Happy Ending radios and wonder what the hell just happened.

 

Glad to see people beginning to see what is going on.

 

I'm aware. (I do this for a living) Open Source is source code freely available, open standard is a freely distributed standard used to construct something. (the DRM standard for example)

Motorola has butt hurt because they believe Motorola developers left and went to Hytera and took the code with them to implement a free and open standard. The only reason they are so butt hurt about it is because Hytera is selling a ton of radios that Motorola isn't. The entire premise behind this is because development takes time. Time Motorola could be selling radios instead of Hytera because Hytera would still be developing the software. The standard itself is open so they can't fight that.

If Hytera used stolen code, that will be easy for Motorola to prove. If they didn't, Motorola is spinning there wheels, because these Developers have already wrote similar code once, the second time around it becomes a much easier task and therefore would take a shorter development period.

My point is suing over things that are open is mostly moot unless it was a new standard and basically a copy and paste usage. ie getting a free ride for a product. I'm pretty sure Hytera didn't do that to the extreme as they still had to develop the hardware the software runs on. Even then, portions of the software would need to be ported to the new hardware.

As I said, most likely. This is Motorola butt hurt for all the radios that Hytera is selling.

 

Until they start making much better quality HF radios. That isn't going to happen. The market they are currently encroaching upon is the cheap HT market and honestly. I have a Boafang HT radio and a friend has both a Boafang HT and a $500 Kenwood HT. He insist on using his Kenwood HT because it has APRS, but he struggles to use it due to it's complexity. I do not struggle with the simple Boafang. I think there is something for the big radio makers to learn here. I would buy a Kenwood before a Baofang if Kenwood made a competing radio.

The closest multi-band HT that Kenwood makes to a Boafang cost 7x as much. Even their single band HTs are at least 4x as much as a Baofang.

If I were a radio maker, I might even be willing to set a quality standard that the Chinese must meet, then have them OEM manufacturer a cheaper radio to compete with Baofang / Hytera etc.

 

Wrong.

There are patent infringement issues. That is not 'open'.

Nor should be.

 

While some intellectual-property lawsuits involve disputes over the creation and use of technology developed along parallel tracks by different entities, the circumstances of Hytera Communications’ use of Motorola Solutions’ patents and trade secrets are much more “brazen,” according to Mark Hacker, Motorola Solutions’ general counsel and chief administrative officer.

“This isn’t coincidental infringement of a patent,” Hacker said during an interview with IWCE’s Urgent Communications. “This is part of a deliberate scheme to steal and copy our technology.”
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The above from the OP.

Patents are NOT "open source" or "open anything".

Nor should be.

 

Go get a copy of the formal complaint. That has the presentation of the facts.