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ARLB011 Amateur Radio Parity Act Language Inserted in National Defense Authorization Act

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by N9PBD, May 11, 2018.

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  1. K0IDT

    K0IDT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Did you consider that the HOA's without outdoor antenna bans will now have the power to do just that? The way the legislation is written you must get permission for the antenna from the HOA and that now gives the ones without
    a ban the power. A 70cm groundplane below the roof line could be considered to be "effective".
     
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  2. KC8VWM

    KC8VWM Ham Member QRZ Page

    The entire argument about HOA's that are currently functioning without any antenna bans already have the power and authority to implement antenna bans at any time. They cannot do this if this bill becomes law.

    I will also point out that the passage of ARPA does not in any way "obligate" HOA's currently without any antenna restrictions, to start implementing antenna restrictions. ARPA does not in any way apply to any HOA's without any existing written land use antenna restrictions whatsoever.

    As you can see below, this pertains ONLY to any existing land use restriction and ONLY HOA's with an existing land use restriction and absolutely nothing else.

    Read the words for yourself...

    I will also say the following below again until people "get it." ....

    You cannot override the lawful authority of the CAI to govern and maintain controls over their respective property developments.

    But you can propose legislation that makes it unlawful for the CAI (HOA's) to write rules banning outdoor antennas. This is what is being done here.

    Keep in mind, even OTARD maintains the idea of HOA's remaining in control of their respective property developments. So in reality some restrictions may still exist in terms of installation location, antenna height and size etc., but it's still unlawful to ban outdoor TV antennas.

    Similarly, ARPA was never intended to be a free for all. Like OTARD, certain outdoor antenna installation limitations WILL still exist.

    There's just no way around the reality that HOA's will always be involved as a part of ANY outdoor antenna installation regardless of what kind / type of antenna structure it is going to be.

    Just to be clear, this could be ham radio antennas, satellite dishes, TV antennas, cell phone towers, or any other kind of outdoor antenna structure at an HOA.... it doesn't matter.

    Some people want more out of this bill than what is legally possible to do, but whatever wording is used and written in this bill, there will always be a part written to indicate an HOA will have some authority and involvement in the matter, and that's the bottom line.

    If you have any unrealistic expectations that is somehow going to be better than ARPA, keep dreaming because this is about as good as it can possibly get.
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2018
  3. W4DBV

    W4DBV Ham Member QRZ Page

    This sounds like it is in the category of "we have to pass it to see what is in it." So with great effort and some expense (no doubt) we can put up an antenna if our HOA approves?
    Time to find another hobby.
     
  4. KI4P

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    seems to me to be a waste of effort, if you still need the HOA approval, dont see the point of lobbying for something that gives us nothing!
     
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  5. K1VSK

    K1VSK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Worse than that, it potentially makes it more difficult to install an antenna.

    One might think these ARPA zealots would want to ensure any legislation actually helps rather than hinders. Experts have already warned it might be a disservice. But no, these zealots want to 'help' regardless of how much damage it might do. Regardless of what the experts advise. And regardless of the overwhelming silence from actual HOA residents who either do not support this or don't care.
    And regardless of the fact no one has ever quantified or even define the problem this is supposed to fix.

    You can't fix stupid.
     
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  6. N5PZJ

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    Charles,

    There is so much misinformation on this bill it isn’t funny, The so-called experts try to come up with different scenarios but in the long run everybody who has CC and Rs Will benefit from the passage of this law.

    Go ARPA!
     
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  7. K1VSK

    K1VSK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Your contribution...
     
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  8. W2ACY

    W2ACY Ham Member QRZ Page

    Well this does not seem to be any different then the now standing rule of needing HOA approval. This was suppose to allow Amateur Radio Operations the ability to put up an antenna restricted only by the height limitation now in affect. This seems like the Parity Act was sold down the drain.
     
  9. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Pleas stop SAYING "HOA" as synonymous with "CA". NOWHERE does HR555 refer to:" Home Owners Association".

    Instead it encompass the FAR BROADER range of community agreements called: "Community Associations".

    FOR EXAMPLE--

    Agreements about picking up road kill as a matter of mission--and other matters that arise-- are CA's. They refer to land use (for example). Not home ownership. NOT HOA.

    Its not a matter of semantics.

    Your antenna will now be ON a CA 'roadkill' agreement as above.
    [​IMG]

    Consider your antennas as "roadkill" on passage....
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2018
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  10. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    If you can see the future, especially without any evidence, we really should team up to work the Oklahoma lottery. ;)
     
  11. WA7PRC

    WA7PRC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Tens of millions of neighbors of HOA hams will benefit from the hams mostly ragchewing/DXing/contesting using outdoor antennas? o_O
     
  12. K1VSK

    K1VSK Ham Member QRZ Page

    And I quote - " there is so much misinformation about this Bill".
     
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  13. K0IDT

    K0IDT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Home antennas for emcomm is what the ARRL is pushing. If your neighborhood is destroyed, by whatever, make sure you have your cellphone.......it has it's own antenna. :)
     
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  14. K1VSK

    K1VSK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Maybe they can ask the FCC to define ' effective' as able to withstand a tornado. That would benefit " tens of millions of neighbors".
     
  15. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    Even if one's neighborhood is not destroyed, the most reliable transceiver is a cell phone... especially if you hope to reach emergency services.
     
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