Morse Code NATO Alphabet Chart at Hobby Lobby

Discussion in 'General Announcements' started by W0PV, Jun 26, 2020.

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  1. KC9ONY

    KC9ONY Ham Member QRZ Page

    As of this morning, it's on sale... "50% off Canvas Art" so $10.99.

    According to the three reviews, it did have the incorrect code for F, but was fixed.

    I think it's a nice idea to show visitors or family if they ask about the phonetics used.

    Can you whistle 30-40 WPM ?? :p
    I haven't learned CW yet. Have tried some apps on the phone and a short
    session with some suggested websites. Of course, it takes practice everyday
    as I am told. ;)
  2. W7UUU

    W7UUU Principal Moderator Lifetime Member 133 Administrator Volunteer Moderator Platinum Subscriber Life Member QRZ Page

    I can whistle 30 yes. No faster via "whistling" though. I can't send much faster than 40 on paddles - not that it matters much except in big contests with simpler exchanges. Sure - I could program my contest keyer to send faster than that but why? I mean if I can't copy the reply, what's the point?

    My comfort zone for ragchew is about 24-26, normal contesting 26-35 or so - and for big contests, again with simpler exchanges like NAQP etc., I can do over 40 although I don't much prefer it. To me, it's "work" at that point, and takes a few passes to get the copy correct. Not fun.

  3. W0PV

    W0PV Ham Member QRZ Page

    Some have pointed out the comments that the "F" character in Morse was at one time in error, but apparently has been corrected. The one I saw in the store was properly coded.

    HOWEVER, there is another issue that I am surprised no one has mentioned yet. The spelling of the phoentic words used for the letters "A" and "J" does not correspond to the official NATO (or ICAO) standard which is,

    A = Alfa
    J = Juliett

    This apparent mispelling in the official list was intentional, to avoid mispronounciation by non-English first language speakers. See the explanation below from the wikipedia on NATO phonetics,

    Strict adherence to the prescribed spelling words—including the apparently misspelled "Alfa" and "Juliett"—is required in order to avoid the problems of confusion that the spelling alphabet is designed to overcome. A 1955 NATO memo stated that:

    It is known that [the ICAO spelling alphabet] has been prepared only after the most exhaustive tests on a scientific basis by several nations. One of the firmest conclusions reached was that it was not practical to make an isolated change to clear confusion between one pair of letters. To change one word involves reconsideration of the whole alphabet to ensure that the change proposed to clear one confusion does not itself introduce others.[2]

    I still consider the wall hanging a potential worthy piece of decor and a clever conversation starter.

    73, John, WØPV
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  4. W0IS

    W0IS Ham Member QRZ Page

    And there's nothing wrong with that. Using dots and dashes IMHO is the best way to represent it on paper. To me, it's absolutely incomprehensible to see something written like dahdidahdit dahdahdidah, even though that's supposedly the "right" way.
  5. W0IS

    W0IS Ham Member QRZ Page

    The picture on the website is correct. It's possible they "fixed" it, but it's more likely that the first reviewer was simply wrong. The second reviewer just said that they weren't buying one if it was wrong. The third reviewer said it was fixed, but I doubt if they ever saw an incorrect one.
  6. AJ1G

    AJ1G Ham Member QRZ Page

    May have been used in the earlier US military phonetics used in WW2...started with Able, Baker, Dog, Easy...

    The Brits used their own phonetics, which,IIRC, consisted mostly of male names.
  7. W9BRD

    W9BRD Ham Member QRZ Page

    It's alfa, not alpha, and juliett, not juliet.They are also more generally known as the ICAO phonetics.
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2020
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