We live in a society where "rugged" is now defined as a callous on your mouse finger. The 817/818 is built like a damn tank. Not much plastic on that radio. That's the beauty of the hobby. There is such a diverse selection of radios appealing to women, emasculated men with callouses, old curmudgeon war horses and every flavor in between. We used to say different strokes for different folks. People have programmed themselves to respond. What's the most hateful thing that can be said to get the most likes. People don't take time to realize this is all about FIT. What radio FITS you better. Maybe one doesn't need a ATU... maybe one person does rely on it. No need to bash the other side but that's what we've become.