https://yourlisten.com/milen/townhall-2018-02-11 The above link graciously provided by an earlier poster has excellent audio. I listened to the entire recording. I had to force myself to try to turn off my cultural bias which is not really possible. For you see here in south-central PA where I've lived almost my entire life, things are a bit more laid back. Culturally we are more like central and western VA, the old western NC, northwest SC, northwest GA, and NE Alabama. I find Lisenco a bit overblown but he lives in a completely different world. I disagree with much, although not all, of what he had to say. He really tears Dick Norton a new one while being deliberately vague at the same time. He provides some detail to the public excoriation of K1MMH. Perhaps a bit more specificity would lead to that personal legal exposure he discusses later. I'm afraid he misses the point about Gallagher. I seem to recall in my earlier training there was a Harvard Business School case study done about certain actions at Ford Motor Company in the late 1960's. Semon E. "Bunkie" Knudsen was brought in from GM to be the President of Ford Motor Company by the Chairman, Henry Ford II. This temporarily derailed the presidential aspirations of Lee Iacocca, who proceeded to go Defcon III. The skirmishing began immediately and it was relentless. Knudsen came to Ford and brought one person with him, a stylist by the name of Larry Shinoda. Neither lasted very long. I'm afraid this was the mistake made by the Executive Search Committee and/or the consultant they engaged. From what Lisenco is saying there are going to go down the same path to try to find the same kind of person. "Rita" made some good comments concerning K1VR yet I thought Lisenco was borderline rude blowing her off as elitist and Hopengarten as unqualified. But again, different worlds. Toward the end of the recording an older ham basically sums up the Harvard Business School/Ford Motor Company case study without so many words. He says ARRL found a CEO who was a Finance guy who just happened to have a ham ticket, and the next CEO should be a well-known amateur experienced in managing an organization. Today they call it 'gravitas'. Bona fide is the more accepted term. There is more to being a leader than what an applicant lists on an 8 1/2" x 11" piece of paper. The individual has to be known and respected in the industry as well as compatible with the organization he seeks to join. That the person has to be a respected heavyweight is to rally the troops and by God get things done.