ARRL Hudson Division webinar recording

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by W0PV, Feb 13, 2018.

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  1. KA0HCP

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    Tough going with poor audio, though it improves a bit as it goes on. Twenty minutes in, just up to the first question, my impression of N2YBB is overwhelmingly positive. His comments are calm, well reasoned and insightful.

    He gives significant background to several of the major issues, and internal conflicts within HQ leadership. He discusses the outrageous behavior and toxic environment created by a director [N6AA?] which is specifically why the Code of Conduct was created, and why he was censured.

    IMO, If the board had been more open with this information, the upheaval might have been prevented. He discusses why this was not so; the problem with actual and threatened legal action from disgruntled members, staff and former CEO candidates has made directors and leadership reluctant to make any public statements.

    [added] Again, only 20 minutes in, I see NO hint of disdain for members, or the opinions of members which are based in fact. He recounts a number of instances of abusive emails directed at him, mindless 'piling on" by members (including a close personal friend) who did not even read the error filled and abusive emails they forwarded to him.

    N2YBB outlines his perceived need to create several "National At-Large" directorships to give the membership greater voice in management outside the present regional structure.

    Mentions that there a number of enthusiastic and well qualified members with sound ideas who want to develop/lead programs but are hindered by current HQ structure (I am unclear what this problem is).
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  2. NT6AA

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    Excellent recording by KG2C. Much better than the other recordings.
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  3. NT6AA

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    After listening to the recording a couple of things stand out:
    1) Rather unprofessional conduct through out. Obscenity, suggesting he can get abuse at home. Dismissive attitude toward members.
    2) Argument by generalization, Director Lysenco; I wrote my entire message to the board without consulting the "ARRL voices" website. Thanks for reading it. One guy you know cut and pasted, therefore they all cut and pasted. Maybe a lot of us said the same things, because they were true.
    3) Lack of specificity, kind of like tell a lie and keep telling it, never defend always attack!
    4) Does not believe i the necessity of transparency.
    5) If we accept his vision.... why is he there? He should go home.

    I judge the person only upon all the evidence I have on hand. I am sorry your statements about the "censured individual" are 180 degrees out of phase with the the person I know.

    I was holding high hopes after the board meeting that this nonsense would settle down. If Mike is a fair sample of the board I would say nothing has changed.
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  4. KL7SB

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    Wow, to each their own, and of course we all hear things through our own confirmation bias, but I don't see how you heard much other than anger, resentment, and condescension in those first twenty minutes. As far as N6AA, everyone has to work with people who they find difficult. I don't know either Mr. Lysenco or Mr. Norton, other than by reputation. Mr. Norton could well be difficult, but he also has a long accomplished history in this hobby and in professional life. Mr. Lysenco appears to enjoy using Yiddish terms (and I can't blame him, Yiddish rocks!), but he comes off as a "kvetchy alter cocker nudnik"
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  5. KC8VWM

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    Mike Lisenco is spot on in terms of describing the need for halting all the divisive conflict and animosity occurring between everyone. This includes both the organization and it's membership for that matter. I think he's just telling the truth and describing the cold reality of how it is. Basically what I got from this is everyone is at each other throats and it's getting ridiculous.

    Quite frankly, he's right and I have to agree with him.

    Everyone needs to start treating one another in a more collegial manner if harmony and forward thinking progress is the future expectation of the organization. He's also right about the idea that everyone in the leadership needs to be on the same page in Newington when it comes to getting the job done. This is the reason why there's a code of conduct in the first place. Adopting policies like this for directors and others in the organization to publicly position themselves to support any organisational decisions as they are voted on is the right thing to do. Obviously, ongoing disagreement and conflict occurring between everyone in the leadership within the organization is never going to achieve anything but a hostile and non productive environment. This sort of thing is true regardless what kind of organization it might be.

    I also think there needs to be more strategic communication occurring with the membership on some important key issues before anything should occur and Mr. Lisenco did listen and acknowledge that.

    Moving forward, I think everyone involved in both the membership and the organization has some soul searching to do.
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  6. KA0HCP

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    Anger; sure. Resentment? Perhaps, any number of emotions might apply as well such as dismay, frustration etc.

    Entirely reasonable reactions considering the abuse he was exposed to and the false claims that were made. We saw many of them here on the Zed e.g. "ARRL leadership is seeking the destruction of amateur radio".

    I don't know why you seem to think having normal reacitions is inappropriate. His descriptions though are not emotional nor drama laden. He is describing the emails people sent to him in a factual basis.
  7. KL7SB

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    I don't think having normal reactions is inappropriate, but expressing them in the manner he did, in that venue was. He put himself a lot further out there in terms of lack of "collegiality" than anything I've heard in terms of Mr. Norton. The bottom line (for me at least) is, that, no matter how bad interpersonal relation on the BOD may have been, his idea of ..."Enough of this b.s. We're taking charge of this thing , and if you don't want to do it our way, you are gone, by whatever means necessary" was by definition a hostile takeover. I'll even give him this one bit of credit from the conference call. Clearly he himself is done pretending it was anything else. He stated flat out that he still thinks packing the BOD was a good idea (and give me a break, that IS why he wanted Pres/VP to have the vote), and clearly the only thing he regrets is that the Proposals were "leaked" before the meeting. Ethically, nobody has any business attempting to enforce a "Director led" agenda or assert that the BOD itself has a right to privacy or "Unanimous public support of the agenda" in a membership services organization, begin, period, end. If the Board is dysfunctional, or ones own relationships untenable, don't run for another term, let someone else take a shot at it. The minute anyone on a volunteer board in a membership services organization thinks the Board needs "protection" is the minute they should recognize that they aren't in the right job. Pragmatically/Politically, he bet his entire wad on the Bylaw Proposals and ARPA. The guy doesn't exactly strike me as Mensa material, but at some level, he must realize this. It's probably why he was so angry, and why he just let his "Screw them all" freak flag fly. All, anyone running against him has to do is go to club meetings, play the recording, and he is toast. If he has any dignity left, he'll call it a day, but I haven't seen any signs of that dignity at this point.
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  8. K2XT

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    KL7SB - +1 for you. Thank you. I'm in Hudson Div. and I get to vote.
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  9. ND6M

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    Well, I guess Mike Lisenco is not gonna bring the Beenies & Weenies to the next campfire get together.
  10. NK2U

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    Oh, that's so much better. Thank you for reposting that. I'm listening to it now.

    de NK2U
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