HR2.0 - FCC Hits Rugged Radios with Citation over Illegal Radios

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by KC5HWB, Dec 15, 2020.

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  1. AE5HL

    AE5HL Ham Member QRZ Page

    I just looked over their offerings on the website, and you are spot on, looks like rebadged Chinese radios, but at 4x the price...
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  2. KD5BVX

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    Yeah. Basically exactly what Jason said in the video. But I guess people who don't know any better are willing to pay.
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  3. N3FAA

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    And you are aware that they program other radios in the same manner, right? In fact, they still have Motorola and Icom mobile radios listed on their website. So no, the Baofengs are not the problem and getting rid of them does not fix the problem. The problem existed long before these Baofeng radios were even thought of.

    Several of these racing radio companies take very good radios (normally Kenwood, with the 100w decks, because 100w has to be so much better than 50w, right?), and program them for marine radio, business radio, public safety, and ham radio frequencies, and tell the user that they are covered by some umbrella license. THAT is the problem.
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  4. KE0GXN

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    You forgot to mention Bofunk...;)
  5. K6ITR

    K6ITR Ham Member QRZ Page

    I bought one of the first Baofeng UV-5R radios several years ago, and it was capable of transmitting well outside the amateur freqencies. Later, I bought two UV-82 radios, both also able to transmit outside the amateur frequencies. Basically the same internals, just a different housing and dual PTT. Recently, I bought a Juentai JT-6188 mobile radio that is also capable of these non-amateur frequencies. Baofeng seems to be getting all the bad press and FCC attention, but they are not the only ones marketing "illegal" radios. But companies like Rugged Radios, by giving buyers some sort of false sense of security with dubious licensing and "our radios are legal because you bought them from us" schemes , are taking the problem to a new level. They're mixing illegal radios with most-likely bogus licensing. It's one thing to sell commercial "type-accepted" radios like Motorola and Kenwood under some kind of grey-area licensing scheme, but it's quite another to knowingly sell "non-type-accepted" radios at 3-4 times their value using deceptive rationale and bogus licensing designed to lull buyers into a false sense of legality. There are very few unlicensed radio services. CB, MURS and FRS come to mind. The rest are licensed. Unless you or your organization are licensed for these services, using them is at your own peril. And using them with a non-type-accepted radio is also at your own peril. The FCC probably doesn't care about (and probably could never find) individual users on illegal radios, but they DO care about companies profiting by selling illegal radios and bogus licensing schemes.
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  6. KJ4DGE

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    Politics and money. FCC enforcement should be to protect interference of authorized transmissions by unauthorized users period and compliance with norms based upon USA manufactured standards for products sold in the USA (not enforced outside this country). Manufacturers have understood the legalities of selling radios in the US for decades and either mod the radios to comply and make money or sell stuff that doesn't comply and get slapped with a fine. Basic economics. A good analogy is the crap at truck stops sold as legal weed that falls outside anything close to being marijuana (synthetic THC manufactured drugs) Its legal due to the laws. It should not be as it causes more harm than good, but back to radios. China is beating the USA in manufacturing and has been so for many years while we respond with trade sanctions or tariffs on car imports and other Chinese products but we still buy them in bulk. Until the US decides to stop being more concerned with theatrics and makes products affordable here for our consumption, its a losing battle of politics and money. One drives the other. Look up the word GDP sometime and see what each country relies on for its own economy. We are a consumer driven society. If we cannot get what we want we go somewhere we can get it, either legally or illegally or pass laws to make something legal, modify a law with built in loopholes or stop buying something based on our own sense of this or that personal choice. Reduce demand and you reduce supply but that is never going to happen.

    Who won out in 1994 when radio scanner makers were put to the test by cell phone companies (which were new at the time), to remake their radios so you could not listen to analog cell phones on unencrypted networks? The ECPA act made it illegal to listen to cell phones so in order to cell a scanner they modded the scanners (usually with a simple diode) to block those frequencies. The world has now become a global economy, we (the USA) have to stop trying to play 1980's games in a 21st century world and get our country back to making our own radios, cars and other products that people outside here want more than China stuff. Is it too late? Maybe but we have come back before.
  7. ND5Y

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    There are really no "unlicensed" services.
    Some radio services don't require operator licenses or station licenses but they are still "licensed by rule" which means the equipent operator can only use FCC certified devices and must abide by FCC rules. Modifications made to the device can void the certification and make it illegal to operate the device.
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  8. K6OTW

    K6OTW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Fcc Says : The station licensee is responsible for the proper operation of the station at all times.
    So.... They control how there customers use there Radios?
  9. KD5BVX

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    Radios have to be appropriately type accepted for the particular service on which it is being used. This action is well within the scope of the FCC.
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  10. KD6VXI

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    I pass by this place daily on my way to work. It's obviously lucrative as they just built a new complex worthbwellnover a million dollars buildings and real estate.

    They purchase baofeng radios and madkeylt them to unwitting off road enthusiasts.

    It's an utter travesty, as I've brought up the violations to them a couple of times and got a shoulder shrug.

    They deserve what they get as they could care less about legality as long as the people on the Pismo Dunes to Baja 1000 get what they want.

    Not to mention the owners kids drive 1000k dollar vehicles to school.

    Yeah, fine them. Deeply. It's been brought to their attention what they are promoting is illegal. They don't care
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