FCC: Referee's in Club Dispute

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by AA7BQ, Feb 28, 2002.

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  1. N7CZ

    N7CZ Guest

    I am the Trustee for WX7GTF which is used only during SKYWARN activations from the National Weahter Service office. Having a single "distictive" call sign for the net keeps the SKYWAN NET uniform no matter who the Net Control Operator happens to be.

    Everyone knows that when they hear WX7GTF on one of our Montana repeaters to listen close!

    I must say, it is a shame the former trustee can't grow up. "Lick your wounds and crawl back in you're dog house."

    Bob N7CZ
    WX7GTF - Big Sky Skywarn
    Big Sky Skywarn
  2. AA1MN

    AA1MN Ham Member QRZ Page

    'Tis time I jump the good ship "Amateur Radio" and climb aboard the CB bandwagon.

    It's quite illuminating to have amateurs displaying a holier-than-thou attitude toward 11 meter operators and then to see this shindy a-brewing!

    If I am the only one to see the incongruity in this hypocricy then so be it. Please, fellow amateur operators, let me know if I'm wrong on this observation.

    73s and all the best,

  3. W5ATX

    W5ATX Guest

    Bottom line here, the regs say you have to be a member to be the trustee and call holder, and this guy isn't. When he claimed to be, he lied. Lying to the feds just isn't cool. (Unless you're the president of course - geez.) So for that alone, he needs to called to task.

    I can't see it being the issue with radio clubs - well maybe yeah, I can - but I know with ARES/RACES type groups, who the big banana is can be critical. There's often a lot of money, prestige, maybe even "real" power involved in being in the in-crowd of such an organisation.

    Here in Coastal NJ, the county governments tend to view hams as valuable. And as such, the hams get lots of equipment, badges, official lookng ID cards, in some towns they get pagers, police radios, etc. REALLY HEADY STUFF. I remember running afoul of such a group in the early 90's. I can tell you now, I am not a "joiner." I don't care to be politically involved in stuff, and as such I enjoy being a ham, and chatting with the fellws, but I'm not into the "official" groups. At that time in my life, I also knew I didn't have the time to devote to the training they required. So I elected not to join.

    Lo and behold, along came a winter storm where electric was out for days, roads were closed, the whole area was a real mess. I volunteered to help, did help, and have a certificate from the county "overlord" (whatever his title is/was) to show for it. Felt good to have used my ham gear and skills to help. (While not a member and not a regular recipient of their training, I am a fairly competent operator, and had been involved in other emergency situations in years past, not to count the fact that I'm a full time state law enforcement officer and know how to use the radio.)

    Well, all hell broke loose. The higher ups in the county all started calling each other names, I shouldn't have been allowed in the radio room because I'm not qualified (not a trained member) etc. The fallout was crazy.

    Well, it's a power struggle and I've since elected to stay out of it. I'm glad we haven't had such an emergency again, as I am unwilling to stick my neck into THAT quagmire again (I know, I should grow up, but . . . I was deeply hurt by the aftermath, and it will be years more before I get over it.)

    So you see, the politics were more important than the fact that hams were on the job. (I did find my services being requested about a year later - the same uppity folks learned I had gotten a 5kw generator. All of a sudden 5kw was the equivalent of some years of training. Guess what I told them to do? And it involves places the sun doesn't shine.)

    Ah well, I feel better now, but lesson to be learned: political power can be strong in places you'd never think of. A club fighting over a callsign? Fits right in.

  4. KC2IRV

    KC2IRV Ham Member QRZ Page

    who here can say "screwed"
  5. KS9E

    KS9E Ham Member QRZ Page

    It is apparent that there will always be persons who are often quick to pass judgement on an issue without researching the facts or hearing the opposing side. Welcome to this group Fred!

    For those of you who really want the complete story before forming an opinion, I welcome you to point your browser to the following URL.


    Opinions are the cornerstone of public expression and free speech, rights for which many have fought and died. Long live the constitution of the United States of America! [​IMG]
  6. AJ5TT

    AJ5TT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Interesting to note at the Vanity Call sign process has halted on the same date as the application for AC9ES (12/12/01).  First the Anthrax and missing applications and now possibly a holdup due to a dispute.


  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Mr. Hollingsworth hit the nail on the head when he indicated that the organization in question was formed under Wisconsin law in 1998. This organization is a "legal person" created by the state and, as such, the organization involved in this dispute has the legal persona specified by Wisconsin law.

    This is not a dispute that can, or should, be decided by a federal regulatory agency. If the parties want to have a pissing match over who controls this club, the Wisconsin courts and/or the Secretary of State's office are the appropriate venues for that contest since this is a matter of state law. The FCC should defer to the state and issue the license according to Wisconsin's determination of who is the valid representative of the club.
  8. KA3EBX

    KA3EBX Ham Member QRZ Page

    We has a similar problem with our club, South Hills Amateur Radio Club where two individuals not only tried to take our club's original call, but the club's name as well!  Fortunately, we had notarized documents dating back to the club's creation that settled the matter with officials.  During the matter however, one individual (another club's president) was sending the club bogus emails and making anonymous guestbook entries in the club's guestbook.  Another tried to hack into the club's member's only area and made obsene entries into the club's guestbook.  Working with ISP officials, they were subsequently caught and reprimanded.  Actions like these, sure puts a dark shadow on Amateur Radio.
  9. WA4MJF

    WA4MJF Banned QRZ Page

    The FCC does a good job of checkin' on the club stations.

    I had a problem as trustee for our club's tickets. We
    used the parent corporation's TIN, rather than start
    another 501 © (3). Sure enough they caught it, so
    we just changed the name on the ticket to the
    parent corporation's name and all was well!

    73 de Ronnie
  10. kc0msq

    kc0msq Ham Member QRZ Page

    Well somebody is making false statements to the FCC, and as the licensing entity they are going to have to figure out who. This may very well involve the state of Wisconsin, since they created the club, but the FCC will have to spearhead this effort. This is unfortunate, but it is part of the territory.

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