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14 Common Phone Mistakes

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by K8QS, Mar 9, 2021.

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  1. K3XR

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    I mostly use Xray Radio. K2XR, Dave who I've met a few times and lives not far from me likes to use X Rated. It's an attention-getter in a contest.
     
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  2. K8QS

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    Roger, dodger, you old codger. Q
     
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  3. KQ8W

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    Ha! I had to lookup "codger". New word of the day, thanks!
     
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  4. N0TZU

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    Ok, joking aside, yes it’s generally a good practice to use standard NATO/ICAO phonetics. But sometimes the other station just can’t understand so we resort to something else easier to distinguish with more syllables and consonants (I occasionally need to use Zanzibar instead of Zulu, for example). Or when just having fun on a ragchew or whatever. There is no required phonetic alphabet for amateur radio as K3XR said.
     
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  5. K9GLS

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    Actually they both are kind of sort of correct. At the bottom of the page is phonetic alphabets from WWI on... https://drainfast.co.uk/blog/phonetic-alphabet/?SID=d58733beee562a8cacd80b4ad050f284
     
  6. N1IPU

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    Non conformists? I tend to agree sometimes it gets frustrating especially with weak signals. Ex Military and Aviators tend not to deviate from standard phonetics but many do wanting to personalize I guess or be funny.
     
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  7. K3XR

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    I thought I saved it.
    (From the K3XR QRZ page)
    From time to time the use of phonetics, in ham radio, comes up as a topic on various forums.

    The only thing you need to know about phonetics when it comes to ham radio.
    §97.119 Station identification. (in part says)
    (2) By a phone emission in the English language. Use of a phonetic alphabet as an aid for correct station identification is encouraged;

    Not a "standard" phonetic alphabet and not a specific phonetic alphabet or one from the military, law enforcement, aviation, etc. It's your choice, including the aforementioned.
     
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  8. KW0U

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    Fun talk. I found my diction got much better after some practice with the mic. Certainly I did get better about not shouting out a lecture and having a steady cadence...too many folks still think the mic is enhanced by holding it too close and raising your voice. Also, The Complete DXer did have some good advice on sending phonetic callsigns, and I've found it works. If the station at the other end doesn't quite get your call, vary the words. So my "Kilo-Whiskey-Zero-Uniform" may turn into "Kennedy-Washington-Zero-United". Also, I use "niner" for "nine" (learned that in aviation) and it prevents confusion with "five." Small tweaks but they add up and make communication different from CW but still pretty effective under marginal conditions.
     
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  9. K0UO

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    The only thing you need to know about phonetics when it comes to ham radio.
    §97.119 Station identification. (in part says)
    (2) By a phone emission in the English language. Use of a phonetic alphabet as an aid for correct station identification is encouraged;
    [/QUOTE]
    But
    The
    United States does recognizes the
    International Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, commonly known as the NATO phonetic alphabet as the standard.
    It is

    Used by
    International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)/ another Federal agency was adopted by many other international and national organizations, including the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), the International Maritime Organization (IMO), the United States Federal Government (as Federal Standard 1037C: Glossary of Telecommunications Terms,[3] and its successors ANSI T1.523-2001[4] and ATIS Telecom Glossary (ATIS-0100523.2019),[5] (using English spellings of Alfa and Juliett), the United States Department of Defense[6] (using standard spellings), the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), and the International Amateur Radio Union (IARU), the American Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Association of Public-Safety Communications Officials-International (APCO); and by many military organizations such as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
    If you have a US license are under Federal authorization
    So use the proper phonetic alphabet, I guarantee if I'm landing at a Federally controlled airport using my US pilot's license I need to use proper phonetics/ not something I made up.

    So if you're using your license to handle traffic or for an emergency why wouldn't you use the International Phonetics? It is a Good idea to use them for the initial contact to.
     
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  10. AG6QR

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    All of the professional radio services have a standard phonetic alphabet that is enforced. Those that work across various nationalities with native speakers of different languages (aviation, military, marine) use the ICAO/NATO/ITU phonetics. Local law enforcement varies, but you can bet that all the officers and the dispatchers on a particular force are consistently using the standard endorsed by their department.

    If you've ever operated on a radio service that had standardized phonetics, you understand the value of standardization, even standardization on an imperfect alphabet. Everyone knows, understands and uses the same 26 words to represent letters, and everyone only has to learn 26 of them. There's no ambiguity. The words don't rhyme with other common words, and are easy to distinguish from one another. Airplanes reach their destinations safely in part because they all use consistent phonetics.

    Enough about the professionals. There's a reason we're called "amateurs".

    We don't have an authority that prescribes a particular phonetic alphabet. Everyone does their own thing, and nobody has a commanding officer to chew them out over improper radio procedures. Some like that, others hate it, but regardless, that's the way amateur radio is.

    If you want to use ICAO/NATO/ITU phonetics, I'd encourage you to do so. I'll even join you. From my piloting days, that alphabet is etched in my brain, and those are the phonetics that come naturally. But you can't expect others to follow suit.

    If I hear you using NATO phonetics, I'll be happy and identify as "Alpha Golf Six Quebec Romeo". Otherwise, I might just leave it to you to figure out "Are Gneiss six Quay Rights", (pronounced "our nice six key writes"). Don't worry, I'll repeat it until you get it.
     
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