EU Threatens to Destroy Radio Spectrum - Petition Against!

Powerline Networking (Ethernet over building electrics) has long been a problem for ham radio and SWL. A replacement standard was sought after amendments to the existing standard (EN55022) made it impossible for manufacturers to comply. The new standard - EN50561 now specifies a 40dB increase in output and if the standard is adopted the genie will be very hard to put back in the bottle. In my blog I show a video of the damage ONE PAIR of previous generation adapters does to my electromagnetic environment - I've lost 60m and HF is in ruins. Please, please sign the petition to tell the EU they are wrong to pollute the spectrum for the sake of commercial profit. Please tell every person you think could be affected about it! We need many, many more signatures to deliver a strong message!

If you think amateur radio is safe because of the included notches, bear in mind that recently Dutch telecoms company KPN has begun handing out powerline adapters with the notches removed because they claim their customers wanted more bandwidth. The Dutch regulator refuses to take enforcement action despite the clear breach of the EMC Directive.

 

I am damn tired of hearing about the so-called evils of 'profit'. If you want to live on a small island in socialist bliss, that's fine. Watch the noble rot kick in over time. Go live in Nauru. But 'profit' provides a foundation for the modern world, and supports billions of people in its livelihoods.

As to whether this BPL technique is a problem, that is an interesting question, but your video and your scare tactics not only don't address the alleged magnitude of this 'problem', it also, IMO, insults intelligence.

Facts--not propaganda.

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Chip W1YW

 

Ugh. Thanks for posting that. The video on your website is compelling.

And for the other poster, I saw nothing in the post of links that condemned in a general sense the "evils of profit." What I read was the straightforward comment that the EU is wrong "to pollute the spectrum for the sake of profit."

I am a strong advocate of businesses and the profits they generate. But I am as opposed the polluting spectrum for the sake of profit as I would be to destroying all of our national parks or dumping raw sewage into our lakes for the sake of profit. Neither of those makes sense to me.

 

CONGRATS on evincing my very point-- the sophistic manipulation by the poster's language.You fell hook, line, and sinker.

Provide even a smidgen of evidence the EU is considering this 'for the sake of profit'

I imagine they are considering it to make it a better world. Why shouldn't they? Why do you believe they are trying to destroy the radio spectrum??

The poster has provided no evidence the technology under consideration in an way 'pollutes the spectrum...for the sake of profit'.

Or pollutes it at all.

You might as well say that hams were the worst polluters of spectrum in the world....90 years ago.

If there's a case to limit this technology, then I would love to see it. But don't hit me with propaganda.

Hit me with relevant facts.

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Chip W1YW

 

Note language: video of 'PREVIOUS adapters'.

Heres a video of 'previous' polluting ham transmitters....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ybYxkt3UxU

Well, how about the new 'adapters' you want to banish? On what basis should we be running wild in the streets because in doing so:'EU Threatens to Destroy Radio Spectrum'?

Show us. We can take the facts. And then if the facts make the case, I will gladly sign your petition.

73
Chip W1YW

 

Hola, el PLC En Esta instancia de parte de do por particulares mayor mente, y si crea una interferencia muy clara en todo el espectro de HF. Ahora las compañías eléctricas con el fin de ganar MAS, despiden a los empleados de hacer lecturas de contadores eléctricos y usan un modo de PLC que hace que no se escuche nada. Si eso es - progreso- pues nada, tiramos las radios y hablamos por internet. Mejor retornamos a las palomas mensajeras o a las señales de humo..jajaja

 

AN English translation:

"Hello, the PLC In This instance on behalf of do for individuals major mind, and if it creates a very clear interference in the whole HF bogey. Now in order to win MORE, the electrical(electric) companies dismiss(see off) the personnel of doing readings of electrical(electric) meters and use a way of PLC that does that one does not listen to anything. If that is - I progress - since(so) not at all, we throw(shoot) the radioes and speak for Internet. Better we return the carrier pigeons or the signs of smoke. jajaja"

So, now we have assertions that this new BPL technology 'will destroy the Radio Spectrum", and that those who were paid to measure it we all "fired".

Both of these are , presumably, easily verified with fact. Facts, amigo?

I am ready to sign petition when THE facts are presented that compell the assertion.

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Chip W1YW

 

Well, all the Lotus-Eaters whingeing about the alleged ill-effects of "radiation" from Wi-Fi and wireless data systems are whipping up media hysteria which is scaring governments and service providers into pushing this traffic back onto wired networks, which in turn generate more EMC fog in the HF spectrum.

"Those weren't tigers, they were Internet charge meters!"

So what do we all really want?

 

Facts would be good

Otherwise we inflame the hate lit by the disinformation of propaganda.

Who needs that?

BTW Adam your IC 7700 write ups make you famous! I found very helpful.

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Chip W1YW

 

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NOTA.

No solo soy radioaficionado, mi profesión es de ingeniero tecnico

 

Apologies...here is AN English translation, but I have no idea what you are saying. My regrets that my Spanish is not what it should be.

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Chip W1YW


"INFORMATION to flood the number of work places in 'ENDESA' of Spain, in 2020 miles SOME will Be Less. Noise They See Spain of Holidays and Sights lotions UNO of defrauds Bogey analyzer
IT NOTICES.

Not only I am radioaficionado, my profession belongs to technical engineer"

 

Try reading back through the RSGB's archive from the previous EU deliberation iteration. You can find it here (with, I think, the most recent reports at the top, so you'll need to dig down to find the beginning of the sorry saga).

 

Does that mean you would not be opposed if they polluted the spectrum for free?

What am I missing? Seems to me it'd be equally bad to pollute the spectrum either way.


Its also not clearly established whether this will indeed "pollute the spectrum", other than contrived situations.

 

Thank you, this is helpful, but does not show that the "EU threatens to destroy the radiod spectrum."

Certainly if it does pollute AND interferes,it needs to be ended or mitigated. But there is no case for this with the latest technology offerings. Maybe there can be, but at present, there isn't. And ham radio dhould not be used as a tool to stop innovations nor companies. Why put hams out of work, for example? Surely you understand there are many, many hams within the bpl industry, even in EU.

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Chip W1YW

 

But poorly regulated spectrum management should not stop innovations in amateur radio either.
The fact is, power lines were never designed for high frequencies and there IS going to be problems if you send high frequencies down them