Yaesu's "overlooked" Dayton introduction - the FT-1D

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  1. N8MSA

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  2. NG9R

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    I think you have it backwards, Yaesu introduced yet another HT. How many different models have they sold in the past 10 years? 20? 30? Forlorn is appropriate, a digital radio that has no infrastructure to support it and since it is a HT, simplex is pretty limited too.
  3. WB9QVR

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    I don't think it was overlooked. I saw quite a few folks looking at it at Yaesu's booth. However, I think most people who might have been interested in the FT-1D lost that lost interest as soon as they learned that it wasn't compatible with D-Star, P25 or Mototrbo and that Yaesu was attempting to create yet another digital standard. Since there are no repeaters or other radios compatible with whatever protocol the FT-1D 'speaks' that would mean that it would be restricted to talking only to other FT-1Ds (or would have to be operated only in FM mode). Even if Yaesu's digital format turns out to be technically superior to those already in use it's going to be a very tough sell given the traction that the other formats have in the marketplace. Their marketing team will certainly have their work cut out for them in attempting to gain any level of acceptance for this new digital standard.
  4. NA0AA

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    Because we need another different digital mode? I really don't understand why the big 3-4-5 won't agree on a single digital standard to support, since it's clear that they can either live or die on this together, since I dont think many people are going to buy 3 different digital radios to be compatible, plus all the extra repeater pairs needed? Seems totally pointless to me. Now, if it operated in the same mode as Icom D-Star, wow, it would finally crack the market open just a hair.

    Sometimes the Japanese are such smart businessmen and then sometimes they can be so dumb....
  5. N0AZZ

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    I also fail to see why they all do not follow Icoms lead in the Digital market they have the infrastructure already in place around the world and it works FB. The others have failed to gather even a small market share and look at the WIRES failure from Yaesu and how many are tired of echo link.

    D-Star is the logical move for Yaesu and Kenwood it would be a win win for everyone involved including us as far as prices are concerned competition is a good thing. Plus with them all competing there could be even further strides made in the D-Star standard that is backward compatible. The nice thing about D-Star is you can get on the air for under $200 with a DV Dongle and D-Star radios are getting cheaper with newer models coming out.
  6. AD4Y

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    I believe that is the main problem that is not compatible with all of the other digital modes... They need to set a standard like when the Blue-ray HD-dvd battle which Blue - Ray won...

    that way everyone can speak with everyone else only if you have the same type of radio can communicate...

    Miguel ad4y
  7. KA5S

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    Another Beta vs. VHS?

  8. WC4R

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    "The modulation used is what Yaesu describes as C4FM otherwise known as 4 level FSK or 4-FSK and is the same as that used for Digital PMR-446 equipment. 4-FSK has advantages over other types of digital modulation such as GMSK.

    Both ICOM and Kenwood have been producing 4-FSK equipment for the PMR market since 2007 so in some ways it's surprising that Yaesu beat them both in releasing an amateur version of 4-FSK."

    Maybe it is the other way around? I/K/Y/A need to follow this lead? Doesn't matter to me as most of the country does not have any need for (or access to) digital yet.
  9. K1LWI

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    Well think time for yaesu and icom and kenwood make real nice handeld tv
    cam so you can see the guy you talking too and see you think about time. Got all this stuff on my cell phone
    k1lwi wen 73 ar
  10. W8MXR

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    isn't the FT-1 a HF rig, released in about 1982.
  11. KA9UCE

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    I would like to see Icom produce a radio that has selectivity, most of the models I have seen,used and owned, have been very poor in the selectivity department.
    I made a comparison several years ago when I purchased an Icom mobile from HRO, I installed the radio, drove to South Mountain in Phoenix, and was welcomed by nothing but intermod.
    I could not even hear the on-channel repeater that was ON that peak, the IMD was that horrid for that radio!
    The radio was returned with a large 'junk' tag posted on the box. A purchase of a Yaesu FT2500 was made, and back to the mountain I headed.
    Not only was I able to HEAR most of the repeaters I wanted to listen to, I could also hear and use the very same machine I could NOT hear with the Icom.
    Aside from a minor squawk early on, the Yaesu vastly out-performed the Icom.
    Both radios were in the same price range, and capabilities, as well as RX coverage. But the front end was far superior with the Yaesu.
    Aside from my single test, I have never been too happy with the designs of Icom, save for the single band model(heck if I can remember it now).
    That radio did have a decent front end, and IMD products were noticably lower as well. That radio made me feel a little better about the Icom, or will they follow many others and change their name to iCOM so as to appeal to cellphone buyers(my poke)?
    Truth be told, I have not been a fan of Icom products, but I did love the IC-2AT, THA was one solid radio, but again, horribly lousy battery, NO CTCSS encode at the very least.
  12. N0RRS

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    I think the reason behind Yaesu NOT wanting to build a D-Star compliant HT is because it sells so much equipment to the commercial radio field. In the commercial radio business each brand has its own protocol and can only talk to other radios manufactured by that company. They do it to secure gov't contracts and corner the markets on their specific mode of communication. Therefore, Yaesu is attempting to create a NEW digital protocol and make the average Joe Ham by all their equipment from Yaesu. If they introduce mobiles, base units, and repeater equipment this might actually be a good thing.
  13. N0RRS

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    It was an HF rig, but this is a "D" model with the "D" standing for DIGITAL. Also, this rig only works in Digital/FM modes.
  14. N5YCK

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    just think it moto turbo
  15. W4FID

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    With so many key issues/questions unknown and no definitive/authoritative source for info -- even verifiable plans for what will be released at a future date -- can we really say it was introduced? "Overlooked" Dayton intro and "lost in the buzz" may be an overstatement if all that was introduced was a display mock up shell and rumors. Introduce something real -- then decide if it got proper recognition.
  16. WA6ITF

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    Many years ago, when I was a Broadcast Engineer specializing in the repair of 1/2" Betacam, M-II and other broadcast video recorders, I attended numerous schools on various VCR models from several Japan-based manufacturers. Each time I would ask the same question: "Why is it that you have such a different and incompatible product with everyone else?"

    The answer was always the same: (Paraphrased): "Thats our way. We NEVER will make the same product as our competitor because that is our way. Our standard is the only standard. No other exists..."

    I think that business mindset explains far more than one technology being superior to another. Or as my friend Ron used to say: "The nice thing about standards is that everybody has one."

    My personal belief is that unless the ham radio community as a whole selects its own singular digital standard and refuses all others, that at some time in the future when radios are digital-only with no common analog format like FM or SSB included, we will have a world-wide amateur radio community where owners of one brand of radio will have no way to talk to the owners of any other brand of radio.

    In the past, "we" the ham radio community have been the ones who dictate to the manufacturers what "we want." Now, in the digital domain, we are the ones being dictated to. While given manufacturers may each want to corner the marketplace with "their standard" it is up to we hams to decide among us what "we want" and then demand en masse such products. Otherwise, one day in the not so distant future, my Brand X digital radio system may not be able to talk to you because you have a Brand Z digital radio that can only talk to other hams with Brand Z digital radios.

    Imagine a DXpedition where the participants have to carry three or four brands of radios just to be able to make contacts with the owners of various brands of digital audio radios that cannot talk to one another. Or contests where the same scenarios hold forth.

    Its easy to say "...well there will always be CW" -- but there may come a day -- faster than anyone might think -- when there are no new radios with CW included. Then what?

    Final thought: If you think this to be a fairy tale, just think in terms of the total incompatibility for most of the worlds TV receivers designed to receive COFDM signals and those here in the USA (and a small number of other nations) that have opted for the lousy compromise of 8VSB because our government regulator the FCC threw open the doors to "competition" rather than setting a single standard and forcing all to manufacture to it and thus make us "world compatible."

    de WA6ITF
  17. K5CO

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    Why would anyone want digital?
  18. NP3FS

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    I am starting to believe Icom, Yaesu and Kenwood have a conspiracy, they are leading us to believe "DIGITAL" stand for; Directing Illuminated Gentlemen Into Total Abalienation Language. :mad:
  19. AB0RE

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    Quickest way to tick off a Yaesu employee? Go to their booth in Dayton and ask them when they'll be releasing a D-Star radio. VERY cold reception there.

    Yes, D-Star has it's cons, but as others have mentioned the infrastructure is already there. I don't know why Yaesu has to try to be so different, even if it means releasing a product nobody will buy (think, "WIRES".... Epic Fail).
  20. N6MYA

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    What's a DV Dongle??
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