SATERN/NBEMS Digital Nets looking for check-ins.....

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  1. VE3FAL

    VE3FAL Ham Member QRZ Page


    I just wanted to make an announcement for the Salvation Army Team Emergency
    Radio Network (SATERN) NBEMS digital HF nets. All are welcome and encouraged to
    check in.

    The primary nets are on Wednesday evenings and training nets are on Monday
    evenings. Here's the details:

    Wednesday evening SATERN NBEMS nets:
    8pm ET, 14.065 USB, 1500 Hz Waterfall Center, Olivia 16/500
    9pm ET, 7065 USB, 1500 Hz Waterfall Center, Olivia 16/500
    10pm ET, 3.5835 USB, 1000 Hz Waterfall Center, Olivia 16/500

    Same times and frequencies for the Monday evening training sessions, which are
    less formal and geared for first time check ins and folks with questions or who
    need training help.

    All check ins are welcome, regardless of software used. However, we pass
    bulletins and formal messages with the NBEMS FLDIGI and FLMSG software using
    several standard forms with embedded checksum calculations allowing users of
    NBEMS/FLMSG to display authentic views of ICS, NTS/Radiogram, HICS and other
    forms. FLMSG also allows an unlimited number of receiving stations to
    independently verify 100% accurate receipt.

    If you don't have the NBEMS FLDIGI/FLMSG software, you can still see the plain
    text in the message body, but you will see the extra coding for the form fields
    and the message checksum calculation.

    The free NBEMS software and more info is available at:

    Please spread the word and check in! If you have an active local SATERN group in
    your area, please let them know about the schedules and/or offer to act as a
    liaison station to move information to and from their local nets and the SATERN
    NBEMS HF nets.

    Fred VE3FAL
    SATERN Great Lakes Division
  2. W0DLR

    W0DLR Ham Member QRZ Page

    And the purpose of these nets?

    Just to check in to be checking in? That's the way with most nets, hardly considered as training nets when they are just hello and goodbye. Got you down for the count!
  3. N2NOV

    N2NOV Ham Member QRZ Page

    It's also tough to get participation from stations who insist on checking "in & out" and don't contribute. A message handling net needs more than just one or two stations to provide the practice messages. Instead of criticizing, how about participating?
  4. N4UED

    N4UED Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    I enjoy the digital modes as well as the others .
    The main problem is a critic that thinks the world is falling .
    If we all worked together we would have an even bigger following .
    Im happy the net is their .
    I hope to check into it sometimes , chuck , n4ued
  5. K0RGR

    K0RGR Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Cool! I'll be looking for you guys, though the 10 p.m. time will usually conflict with something else, and the 80 meter net is probably my best shot from here. But, we'll see how it goes...
  6. W0DLR

    W0DLR Ham Member QRZ Page

    My point is, there are no messages. Most nets have turned into "No traffic nets". Listen on the air, surely you understand my point. Another net just to have a net never last very long.

    I am not against your net, but I see no purpose in another net to clutter the air when there is nothing but a check in and gone.

    The days of ham radio being necessary in times of emergency are over. If a cell system is down, it won't be for long you can bet on that.
  7. VE3FAL

    VE3FAL Ham Member QRZ Page

    Actually we do pass messages and bulletins using various modes all dependant on band coditions etc....many of monitor the frequencies during the day and come home to many FLDIGI messages, these messages can also be relayed as received to make sure they do get around.
    Join us sometime, I monitor 14.065 daylight hours and 7.065 in the evenings..

    SATERN Great Lakes Division
    SATERN Liaison Officer
    DEC Amethyst ARES
  8. AG5AB

    AG5AB Ham Member QRZ Page

    I'll take that bet!
  9. KD5LMX

    KD5LMX Ham Member QRZ Page

    I am a member of SATERN. They, as the Salvation Army also do great things. I passed info to a worried father that his son was safe during Katrina. There sure is a bunch of grumpy old men around.
  10. K0RGR

    K0RGR Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Do you folks have a liason to NTS?
  11. N9SWR

    N9SWR Ham Member QRZ Page

    You must not read any news accounts or listen to any radio stations other than your own. Every single wide scale disaster in this country, the cell system was the first thing to go and was not back up in a timely manner to assist. HAM radio was there to pick up the slack. Your lack of knowledge of emergency communications is evident. Stick to what you know about, this is not your field of expertise.
  12. KF4ESH

    KF4ESH Ham Member QRZ Page

    Your theory on this is completely flawed. Our local 2m traffic net moved 68 pieces of traffic in October. Most of these originated elsewhere (via our liaison to the HF nets) and were delivered to the end recipient locally by a member of our net. When we don't have any traffic to move, the act of being part of the net helps prepare those who participate for future net operation in the event of an actual emergency. Fairly regularly, someone who has been part of the net for long periods of time and simply check in and out but have been listening and learning will reach the point where they step up and offer to take some of the traffic. This means there is another ham ready to be of service in time of need. So, while you may find it a "clutter", the rest of us will be prepared to respond and handle traffic that could very well save your life or the life of someone you care about. As for the "no traffic nets" out there... we have a few of those locally as well and we have alot of fun simply rag chewing with each other. What's wrong with that? Isn't amateur radio about communicating? Does it matter HOW some do that communicating?

    Tell that to the areas hit by major tornadoes this past summer where EVERYTHING was wiped out and amateur radio was the only form of reliable communication up and running quickly! Tell that to the areas along the east coast that dealt with hurricane Irene and an earthquake that interrupted "mainstream" communications. Again, your theory is flawed. The more complex mainstream communication methods get, the more likely they are to fail during disasters. Even if a cell tower is working, what about the land lines they rely on for connection between the cell signals and other phones? Cell is FAR from the end all beat all of communication and based on my own personal experience both personally and professionally, cell is not as reliable as everyone thinks. All of the mainstream systems are reliant on each other to work. If one part fails, the whole system can go down very quickly... including the newer digital radio systems that law enforcement, fire,. ems, etc are switching to. When that happens, those of us who "clutter" the airwaves will be there to help.
  13. WD8FM

    WD8FM Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    DITTO: Most nets have turned into "No traffic nets".
  14. KB3FXI

    KB3FXI Ham Member QRZ Page


    I have been NCS for the many of the SATERN net skeds over the last few months. I don't ever recall you checking in, or perhaps you're just monitoring?

    At a minimum, the SATERN NCS's usually send at least one message containing some relevant information for the net and check ins are always encouraged to bring information and traffic relevant to the SATERN mission and amateur radio emergency communications in general.

    If you monitor 14.065 USB during the day with RSID enabled for mode detection and NBEMS/FLMSG properly configured, you will likely come back to your shack to see several form-based messages automatically received and confirmed 100%.

    We're really having a lot of fun, learning a lot and passing information on the SATERN NBEMS frequencies and nets. If nets with no traffic bother you, tune up and check in on SATERN NBEMS and have some fun.

    -Dave, KB3FXI

  15. KB9VR

    KB9VR Subscriber QRZ Page

    wrong frequencies

    You list all the frequencies in the cw portion of the band and then you say use usb?
  16. KB3FXI

    KB3FXI Ham Member QRZ Page

    Thanks for the positive response, Chuck!

    You're certainly welcome to check in and please spread the word.

    Also, I'll be hanging around on 14.065 USB dial frequency, 1500 Hz center waterfall for the better part of the day. Jump on if you'd like to try to make the contact.

    We usually listen on, and encourage the use of, 16/500 olivia for the initial call and can move to a faster mode if conditions are suitable for the switch.

    I just has a short qso with a station in CA on this spot a few minutes ago

    -Dave, KB3FXI

  17. KB3FXI

    KB3FXI Ham Member QRZ Page

    The frequencies listed are the digital portions of the bands. CW can be operated anywhere on HF except 60m until the rule change takes affect.

    Digital sound card modes are usually run with the Rig set in SSB mode... the sound card generates audio tones that are transmitted in the audio band pass of the transceiver. USB is the standard setting even on 40m and 80m digital modes. The frequencies we list are USB dial frequencies... the bandpass spot is 1500 Hz center frequency on 20m and either 1500 or 1000 on 40m and 80m.

    -Dave, KB3FXI

  18. VE3FAL

    VE3FAL Ham Member QRZ Page

    Here is a listing of some of the other NETS:

    1) SATERN NBEMS Net Schedule
    Monday and Wednesday
    8PM ET- 14.065
    9PM ET- 7.065
    10PM ET- 3.5835
    1500Hz waterfall center-Olivia 8/500

    2) Southern Territory SATERN Net
    12PM CT- 14.065
    1000Hz waterfall center-Olivia 8/500

    3) New York NBEMS Net
    10AM ET- 7.036
    1000Hz waterfall center-Olivia 8/500

    4) Pennsylvania PaNBEMS Directed Net
    10AM ET- 3.5853
    11AM ET- 7.073
    1000Hz waterfall center-Olivia 8/500
    Bulletins will also be sent using MT63-1K long (64 bit)

    YouKits Canada Rep.
    CFARS Member
    SATERN Member
    SATERN Amateur Radio Liaison Officer Great Lakes Region
    DEC Amethyst District ARES
  19. WD3D

    WD3D Ham Member QRZ Page

    Im' not for most nets, but I can attest that anything that is done on the CW side of the world has to be a good thing because not as many people works CW as there were in the past.

    So I would have to say that this net in particular is a good way for people to test their skills and equipment with those modes of communications and is a good thing.

    I don't like most phone nets because they are nothing but a way for people to reserve a frequency - every day or every week - for their own use.
    It would be possible for a person to start a net anywhere - with 5 people and reserve a frequency for their own use.
    Is it right? No!
    Does it happen? YES
    Can we change it - NO!
    Too many people who calls themselves hams - but never talks on the HF, uses these nets to justify their ownership of their radio equipment and license.
  20. KB3FXI

    KB3FXI Ham Member QRZ Page


    It doesn't take a Katrina to screw up the commercial telecom infrastructure. A ham in NY experienced a recent tornado event in his neighborhood and had no home telephone, Internet or cell service for at least a day (and of course this is in the time frame when the communications are the most important).

    Another event with the scope of Katrina will happen again... it's not a matter of if, but when. I was there, too. And there were no telecom capabilities for at least 5 days in a wide expanse in the hardest hit areas. The Salvation Army had somewhere around 12 Sally Wagons deployed and had no idea if they were ok and/or functional.

    With the digital modes we're using now, assuming we have a decent level of participation from trained ops, we could potentially take a stab at solving the Health and Welfare traffic situations like we experienced with Katrina. There's no way that problem could be tackled with phone and or CW.

    NBEMS is free, requires no special gear and is easy to train on and deploy. As far as SATERN and the mission of supporting the Salvation Army is concerned, the digital modes are perfectly suited to detailed logistical information that is necessary in a disaster situation.

    I worked the 9/11 Flight 93 crash site in Somerset PA for Pittsburgh Salvation Army. The cell phones worked at the site... so why was I there and how did I play a role? Well... how many phone calls can a person field at one time? The answer is one. Any calls to the two SA officials at the site that went right to voice mail, were relayed to me on a 2m/440 repeater link. It was slow and difficult, but I transcribed all the voice messages by hand. Today, we would use MT63 2k long at 200 WPM over that same old 2m/440 analog FM repeater link with far greater efficiency than I did 10 years ago with only phone comms.

    What would be neat for us to try some time after we get these nets established would be to conduct an exercise where we attempt to relay 2 or 3 hundred Health and Welfare messages and simultaneously run a logistics net all in the same passband frequency with different spots on the waterfall.

    -Dave, KB3FXI

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