I conclude that a lot of people hate their 817's and wanted the 818 to fix all the problems... I thought the 817 was a pretty cool radio, but I guess not! Yaesu appears to be updating the radio with parts that are available, not making a new wiz bang radio. Judgeing by the changes, really should be a FT-817 MKII, not a new model number IMHO... They have little competition and a loyal following (or so I thought), so why mess with a proven formula? Until Kenwood, Icom, or someone else come out with a radio that actually offers some competition, why change? Kenwood still ships the TS-2000 because people are still buying it! They could have just discontinued it if parts are a problem, but they chose to refresh it. Not completely redo it. Sounds like that was their plan, but everyone appears to have different plans for what Yaesu should be doing.