Which is the better value, QRZ or ARRL?

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Become Life member of both.
Paul

K8PG, Apr 1, 2021

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Which is the better value: apples or oranges?

YMMV

N3AWS, Apr 1, 2021

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Apples but they have the most toxins . How d'ya like them apples ?

K8EEI, Apr 1, 2021

#18
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K8EEI said: ↑

Apples but they have the most toxins . How d'ya like them apples ?
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Well, going by Sherwood’s criteria, I list them in the top 20 of fruits and vegetables.

Again, YMMV

73

N3AWS, Apr 1, 2021

#19
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N3AWS said: ↑

Well, going by Sherwood’s criteria, I list them in the top 20 of fruits and vegetables.

Again, YMMV

73
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I think it depends on what window you throw them through.

KA0HCP, Apr 1, 2021

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Through a window?

That would be an appliance operator!

N3AWS, Apr 1, 2021

#21
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N3AWS said: ↑

Which is the better value: apples or oranges?

YMMV
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Or, Apples and Androids?

W2TXB, Apr 1, 2021

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NK7Z said: ↑

Why the ARRL is good:

1. RFI-- I am sure we all are in some way benefiting from the good work the ARRL lab did, and does today, in getting RFI generating devices banned.

2. Contests, trains operators to efficiently use their rigs. Awards, provides proof of that training.

3. Sponsorship of some Hamfests.

4. Grants and training for teachers.

5. Scholarships to students. Currently about 80 students a year, so around, (80*15), 1200 students that got direct monetary help in the past 15 years.

6. QST articles helped train, and started some engineering folks off in their careers in electronics over the past 35 years.

7. Outgoing/incoming QSL service, saves tons of money for the Hams.

8. The VM program, which puts a layer between the ham and the FCC.

9. The VE program which supplies a pool of testing volunteers and makes it easy to get tested.

10. ARES, provides emergency communications, and training.

11. Field Day, helps train operators and test the equipment used in Emergencies like Katrina.

12. A very comprehensive web site.

13. Representation in Government.

14. LoTW.

15. An anonymous reporting service via the ARRL Lab for reporting Pot grow lighting RFI to the FCC, keeping the Amateur's name and address from a pot grower in the process.

16. ARRL Labs, will take calls for any sort of Amateur Radio questions, and assist anyone that calls, member or not.

17. Efforts to kill BPL.

18. IARU's international secretariat is hosted by ARRL. 40 meters CW is still pretty much free of broadcast stations as a result of the IARU, and ARRL.

19. No other large organization protects Amateur Radio spectrum like the ARRL does...

20. Changes allowing Amateur Radio Operators to perform emergency communications within a paid environment if they work in Hospitals.

21. Obtaining ITAR exemptions for AMSAT.

22. The ARRL is a prolific publisher of high quality books. The ARRL Handbook and the ARRL Antenna Book are the industry standards for reference material.

23. The ARRL publishes three magazines - QST, QEX, and NCJ all of which are designed to educate and inform. QST magazine is the most widely read and cited magazine in the industry.

24. The ARRL developed and delivers an education outreach project to introduce teachers to Amateur Radio as an instructional resource and to provide an educationally sound curriculum focused on wireless communications.

25. The ARRL maintains a network of volunteer, appointed technical resources in each district to assist the average ham with technical questions and challenges and to provide educational seminars for ham radio clubs and events. In that role I have given scores of lectures on technical topics in order to enhance the technical acumen and skills of the hams in my and my neighboring district as well as resolving RFI issues for hams and government agencies.

26. The ARRL has been a tireless advocate and resource to help protect the rights of hams to install and operate the antenna systems necessary for our hobby. The recent favorable NJ Supreme Court decision is an excellent example of bringing these resources to bear for the general good of our hobby. Without these efforts on behalf of the ARRL, our capabilities would be severely diminished in many municipalities.

27. CITEL: Both the ARRL and IARU Region 2 are recognized by CITEL as partners in furthering the work on telecommunications in the Americas.

28. ARRL sends a representative to ITU Study Group 1 as part of the US delegation.

29. ARRL supported the Amateur in the 2018 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Reauthorization Act, possibly keeping Amateur towers from being classed as needing to be marked. See:
http://www.arrl.org/news/view/faa-r...exclude-vast-majority-of-amateur-radio-towers

I could go on...

Imagine what the hobby would be like today if the ARRL had died in the 70's, we would be overrun with RFI, have no spectrum left, and in general be the poor bastard child of the FCC, if they even allowed Amateur Radio at all... I suspect our spectrum space would be smaller, and in general the hobby would be a lot less fun. We would be like Canada, zero enforcement for RFI issues, save a lawsuit between all involved...

I simply can't say enough about how good the ARRL has been for Amateur Radio over the past 100 years, so look at the above and apply to the last 35 years.

I am not saying that the ARRL is perfect, far from it, but it is an organization that helps us all, every day. The ARRL bumps along, sometimes doing 60 MPH along the freeway of life, and sometimes doing 5 MPH along that same freeway, sometimes rear ending some poor soul by accident. But it keeps the hobby moving forward.

This all sort of reminds me of the dues increase feeding frenzy that started a few years ago, there were huge online fights, people quitting, etc. But-- we are all still here, the ARRL is still helping us, and for the most part we are all paying the additional 10 bucks a year so that frenzy made no real difference. This is just another bump in the road that we are all traveling down...

Publications ARRL provides:

ARRL provides every member with QST every month, both in print and on line.

ARRL members can subscribe to receive:

The ARRL Letter e-newsletter weekly

The ARRL Contest Update e-newsletter bi-weekly

ARES e-Letter monthly

ARRL Club News e-newsletter monthly

IARU e-Letter monthly

ARRL Instructor/Teach e-Letter

ARRL Legislative Update

ARRL posts new information daily on the ARRL web site.

ARRL provides a weekly ARRL Audio News podcast.

ARRL members can listen or subscribe to W1AW bulletins for General and Special Announcements; DX News; Propagation data; Satellite Information; and Keplarian data

Many ARRL Division Directors provide members with information through e-mail newsletters and Division web sites.

Many ARRL Section Managers provide members with information through e-mail newsletters and Section web sites.

Division Directors and Section Managers visit local clubs and hamfests to proactively provide in-person information and receive member (and non-member) feedback.

E-mail and telephone contact information for Division Directors, Division Vice-Directors and Section Managers appear in every edition of QST for any member (or non member) who wants to contact them for information.

ARRL takes booths at major hamfairs (e.g. Dayton Hamvention) to provide information and gather feedback.
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K1SZO said: ↑

Since they are apples and oranges, you first must ask. What is my expectation from either of them?

Compile the list of answers you get from either, then evaluate those and decide which one makes more sense to you.

For me? I subscribe to the XML on QRZ. This accomplishes two things for me. I get XML feed for my ham radio apps, and it allows me to support QRZ. Both I feel are net positives.

My subscription to the ARRL provides QST magazine which I enjoy reading. I also support the ham radio hobby by supporting the ARRL. They provide a large amount of resources for our hobby in a multitude of ways.

What is more important to me? The ARRL. Without it, the ham radio hobby voice becomes far smaller with the government and with driving interest in ham radio by supporting hamventions, small clubs, contests, ham radio activity events, awards, logbook of the world, hardware reviews, teaching how to build / repair ham radio equipment, and several other ways.

I suggest you don't take someone else's opinion as your own. I recommend you listen to others then evaluate those responses and your own to make that decisions for yourself.
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Thank you. Very good advice. H²

K2TAP, Apr 1, 2021

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K8PG said: ↑

Become Life member of both.
Paul
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At my age, that $1000 probably translates to rather a lot per year!

Martin

G8FXC, Apr 1, 2021

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I agree with that. I had a roof replaced recently and the sale guys said the insurance will cover a 20 year roof, but the sales guy suggested I upgrade to a 30 year roof. I asked him for a refund to make my roof just a 10 year roof. At my age I didn't expect to need the older roof. lol

K2TAP, Apr 1, 2021

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I am a life member of ARRL and QRZ. I find both very useful.

But as with any hobby only spend what you can afford at the time. We all got's bills to pay and those darn bills take priority...sometimes...unless there is a good deal on a radio...

KE5OFJ, Apr 1, 2021

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G8FXC said: ↑

At my age, that $1000 probably translates to rather a lot per year!Martin
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Gee, I paid like $120 for life membership.... like 50 years ago. They are losing money on me just in postage!

W0JKT, Apr 1, 2021

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W0JKT said: ↑

Gee, I paid like $120 for life membership.... like 50 years ago. They are losing money on me just in postage!
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I hit "like".

KP4SX, Apr 1, 2021

#28
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W0JKT said: ↑

Gee, I paid like $120 for life membership.... like 50 years ago. They are losing money on me just in postage!
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That's OK. I make up for it by paying $50 a year.

K2DFC, Apr 1, 2021

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NK7Z said: ↑

Why the ARRL is good:

1. RFI-- I am sure we all are in some way benefiting from the good work the ARRL lab did, and does today, in getting RFI generating devices banned.

2. Contests, trains operators to efficiently use their rigs. Awards, provides proof of that training.

3. Sponsorship of some Hamfests.

4. Grants and training for teachers.

5. Scholarships to students. Currently about 80 students a year, so around, (80*15), 1200 students that got direct monetary help in the past 15 years.

6. QST articles helped train, and started some engineering folks off in their careers in electronics over the past 35 years.

7. Outgoing/incoming QSL service, saves tons of money for the Hams.

8. The VM program, which puts a layer between the ham and the FCC.

9. The VE program which supplies a pool of testing volunteers and makes it easy to get tested.

10. ARES, provides emergency communications, and training.

11. Field Day, helps train operators and test the equipment used in Emergencies like Katrina.

12. A very comprehensive web site.

13. Representation in Government.

14. LoTW.

15. An anonymous reporting service via the ARRL Lab for reporting Pot grow lighting RFI to the FCC, keeping the Amateur's name and address from a pot grower in the process.

16. ARRL Labs, will take calls for any sort of Amateur Radio questions, and assist anyone that calls, member or not.

17. Efforts to kill BPL.

18. IARU's international secretariat is hosted by ARRL. 40 meters CW is still pretty much free of broadcast stations as a result of the IARU, and ARRL.

19. No other large organization protects Amateur Radio spectrum like the ARRL does...

20. Changes allowing Amateur Radio Operators to perform emergency communications within a paid environment if they work in Hospitals.

21. Obtaining ITAR exemptions for AMSAT.

22. The ARRL is a prolific publisher of high quality books. The ARRL Handbook and the ARRL Antenna Book are the industry standards for reference material.

23. The ARRL publishes three magazines - QST, QEX, and NCJ all of which are designed to educate and inform. QST magazine is the most widely read and cited magazine in the industry.

24. The ARRL developed and delivers an education outreach project to introduce teachers to Amateur Radio as an instructional resource and to provide an educationally sound curriculum focused on wireless communications.

25. The ARRL maintains a network of volunteer, appointed technical resources in each district to assist the average ham with technical questions and challenges and to provide educational seminars for ham radio clubs and events. In that role I have given scores of lectures on technical topics in order to enhance the technical acumen and skills of the hams in my and my neighboring district as well as resolving RFI issues for hams and government agencies.

26. The ARRL has been a tireless advocate and resource to help protect the rights of hams to install and operate the antenna systems necessary for our hobby. The recent favorable NJ Supreme Court decision is an excellent example of bringing these resources to bear for the general good of our hobby. Without these efforts on behalf of the ARRL, our capabilities would be severely diminished in many municipalities.

27. CITEL: Both the ARRL and IARU Region 2 are recognized by CITEL as partners in furthering the work on telecommunications in the Americas.

28. ARRL sends a representative to ITU Study Group 1 as part of the US delegation.

29. ARRL supported the Amateur in the 2018 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Reauthorization Act, possibly keeping Amateur towers from being classed as needing to be marked. See:
http://www.arrl.org/news/view/faa-r...exclude-vast-majority-of-amateur-radio-towers

I could go on...

Imagine what the hobby would be like today if the ARRL had died in the 70's, we would be overrun with RFI, have no spectrum left, and in general be the poor bastard child of the FCC, if they even allowed Amateur Radio at all... I suspect our spectrum space would be smaller, and in general the hobby would be a lot less fun. We would be like Canada, zero enforcement for RFI issues, save a lawsuit between all involved...

I simply can't say enough about how good the ARRL has been for Amateur Radio over the past 100 years, so look at the above and apply to the last 35 years.

I am not saying that the ARRL is perfect, far from it, but it is an organization that helps us all, every day. The ARRL bumps along, sometimes doing 60 MPH along the freeway of life, and sometimes doing 5 MPH along that same freeway, sometimes rear ending some poor soul by accident. But it keeps the hobby moving forward.

This all sort of reminds me of the dues increase feeding frenzy that started a few years ago, there were huge online fights, people quitting, etc. But-- we are all still here, the ARRL is still helping us, and for the most part we are all paying the additional 10 bucks a year so that frenzy made no real difference. This is just another bump in the road that we are all traveling down...

Publications ARRL provides:

ARRL provides every member with QST every month, both in print and on line.

ARRL members can subscribe to receive:

The ARRL Letter e-newsletter weekly

The ARRL Contest Update e-newsletter bi-weekly

ARES e-Letter monthly

ARRL Club News e-newsletter monthly

IARU e-Letter monthly

ARRL Instructor/Teach e-Letter

ARRL Legislative Update

ARRL posts new information daily on the ARRL web site.

ARRL provides a weekly ARRL Audio News podcast.

ARRL members can listen or subscribe to W1AW bulletins for General and Special Announcements; DX News; Propagation data; Satellite Information; and Keplarian data

Many ARRL Division Directors provide members with information through e-mail newsletters and Division web sites.

Many ARRL Section Managers provide members with information through e-mail newsletters and Section web sites.

Division Directors and Section Managers visit local clubs and hamfests to proactively provide in-person information and receive member (and non-member) feedback.

E-mail and telephone contact information for Division Directors, Division Vice-Directors and Section Managers appear in every edition of QST for any member (or non member) who wants to contact them for information.

ARRL takes booths at major hamfairs (e.g. Dayton Hamvention) to provide information and gather feedback.
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DAVID,

THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF BENEFITS RELATNG TO MEMBERSHIP WITH THE ARRL.......BRAVO......

OK NOW..... I WILL GO ON FOR YOU.

https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/arrl-rejoin-or-not.713115/

73 - K1LKP

K1LKP, Apr 1, 2021

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