We lost a co-sponsor on ARPA

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  1. W0AAT

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    And many bought gold at $500/oz and are doing very well! My dollar cost average on silver is $8/oz with spot at $14.35 right now. I call that a very decent return on investment. Sure SOME of my silver was bought over $20, that is why you dollar cost average your TOTAL investment.

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  2. WA7PRC

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    Some alternatives won't work out for everyone but, I guess you haven't looked into remote stations. There are EXCELLENT remote stations available to use that cost only a few pennies/minute to use, such as http://www.remotehamradio.com/pricing/. Compare that to the cost of a modest HF rig and antenna.
  3. W0AAT

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    SOME are maybe, many of us are skilled in electronic repair, many of us build still, many of us experiment still... the new technology front is not in receiver design, it is the software used to pull signals out of the noise floor! And that is where you find quite a few working to make things better.

    And I am not an emcomm geek, but I have done emergency comms a few times. I helped during the 97 spring flooding that took out phone service for a wide area. And I was first on the scene when the Comfrey to St.Peter family of tornadoes touched down and called it in.

    So YOU may be an appliance operator but many of us are not!

  4. WA7PRC

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    Settle down. I neither named names nor inferred individuals.
    Good on you for YOUR activities. Yes, really. :)
    I haven't designed and built much recently. Aside from my career in radio-electronic design, I've homebrewed a lot in the past but, I'm guessing you're not interested in what I've done.
  5. N7ZAL

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    Who cares if someone is an appliance operator. Why a conceited attitude about being a ham?

    Yes, I have an engineering degree, yes I've done circuit design, yes I've developed complex systems, yes I know more than a lot...so what?

    I can still turn knobs even if I didn't have my education or background.

    I really miss the point. :(
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  6. W3DBB

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    IIRC OTARD was part of the rewrite of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Back then broadcasters had real clout with Congress. They may still but OTA broadcasting is a dying industry, ironically due to the U.S. Congress and its inadequate oversight of the FCC. Will OTARD make it into the next version?

    Reasonable accommodation sure sounds nice and at first glance what's not to like? Reality is there's no practical way to implement it. RFI becomes a factor in attached dwellings. Single-family detached dwellings under HOA control are better candidates for reasonable accommodation, but if such a thing were ever to be enacted into law the only ones making out will be the lawyers.

    We're being led up the path by our elected and unelected representatives.
  7. KK4GGL

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    "What Types of Antennas Are Covered Under the OTARD Rules?
    A "dish" antenna one meter (39.37 inches) or less in diameter (or any size dish if located in Alaska), designed to receive direct broadcast satellite service, including direct-to-home satellite service, or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals via satellite.
    An antenna that is one meter or less in diameter and is designed to receive video programming services via broadband radio service (wireless cable), or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals other than via satellite.
    An antenna that is designed to receive local television broadcast signals."

    Did you notice in the above there is no size limitation for OTA TV antennas?
    Define effective. Your definition of effective is probably different than that of most land use restricted hams. A multi-band beam on the top of a 75ft tower is not the only "effective" antenna.

    ... and, it does.
    [QUOTE="WA7PRC, post: 3694091, member: 281940"
    Note that there's nothing about current or future need by the public or first responders.[/quote]
    If nothing else, attrition. And AGAIN, just because service is being provided, that doesn't mean the service can't be improved by additional providers.
    [QUOTE="WA7PRC, post: 3694091, member: 281940"
    If ARRL had supplied some data showing an increased need and/or reduced number of ham participation, they'd have a strong argument. So far, not. They also state that hams are a source of trained personnel for communication and electronics technology. More than ever, MOST hams are nothing more than appliance operators, and know virtually nothing of what's inside the box.
    And AGAIN, how many would it take to satisfy you?
  8. KK4GGL

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    IANAL, but I tend to think precedent can be cited from PRB-1 cases, which is what ARPA is modeled on.
  9. N1FM

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    If the FCC could mandate OTARD then surely they can mandate RETARD? Some might say they've already accomplished the mandate in many respects. The time for Real Estate Transmission And Reception Dispensation (RETARD) is now and the ARRL is just the organization to spearhead the effort. We simply need to equate ARRL and RETARD in the minds of Congress and the public, and I'm sure the bill will pass. Seriously though, any other updates on the ham radio parody act?

    The Community Associations Institute seems to regard this as a tiny group of special interest whiners who are asking the government to overturn private agreements. They point out the fact the FCC has shot down this kind of legislation in the past. On their page, there's an interesting rebuttal of the need for the legislation by Robert W. Browning, K6RWB.

    https://www.caionline.org/_layouts/...dio and the Community Association - Final.pdf

    According to CAI, "The FCC has expressly rejected prior petitions to set aside CC&Rs; including the petition in 2012. The FCC wrote "Since these restrictive covenants are contractual agreements between private parties, they are not generally a matter of concern to the Commission." Further, the FCC comments in a Memorandum Opinion and Order 85-506, "…our ruling does not reach restrictive covenants in private contractual agreements. Such agreements are voluntarily entered into by the buyer or tenant when the agreement is executed and do not usually concern this Commission."

    https://www.caionline.org/Advocacy/...cuments/Advocate Bulletin 2015--HAM Radio.pdf
    https://www.caionline.org/Advocacy/...ociations Institute Comments on HAM Radio.pdf
    https://www.caionline.org/Advocacy/...to Republican Leadership (Oppose HR 4969).pdf
    https://www.caionline.org/search/pages/results.aspx?k=amateur radio

    I'm sure many hams would like to talk about the weather and gall bladder surgery from the comfort of their own condominiums, and sure, emcomm too, if that's what it takes to defeat the evil HOA's.

    It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Again.
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  10. WB2WIK

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    Yeah. Browning has a pecuniary interest in this bill not passing.
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