Using The International Phonetic Alphabet

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by WX4W, Mar 6, 2019.

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  1. UT7UX

    UT7UX Ham Member QRZ Page

    I’d wish everyone use standard NATO/ICAO phonetic alphabet. However having had the X-Ray in my call; many times I faced the situation when the X-Ray was falsely received as the Echo. So I was literally forced to use non-standard words like a Xylophone, Xavier and so on. Moreover, having a QSO with non-native English speaking operator it could be easier to use operator’s national alphabet if only you know its difference from standard NATO/ICAO. The most important IMO is to complete QSO especially if one is working rare DX. So why couldn’t we use anything non-standard? And yes again, I wish everyone use only standard alphabet. Whatever.
    73 from Uruguay Tenerife Siete Uruguay Xilófono. :)
     
  2. K3CGG

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    I personally wish everything was a "bit" more universal. Alot of good points were made on both sides of this thread (debate?)
    I understand that having a phonetic code is helpful, however, if DX participants do NOT use the code, and we as DX hounds would like to QSO with them, we may sometimes have to bend the rules.

    Believe me, I get it. It's like playing a game of Hangman trying to figure out a foreigner's call sign when words like "Sugar" (pronounced SHOO-GA) instead of Sierra are used. Thank GOD for DX Summit. And even THEN sometimes ppl get the wrong call!

    I worked a couple of stations that the English (universal language for Amateur radio also???) they spoke was so poor that the callsign was incorrect on the DX Summit site. Everyone followed suit because the first contact entered the callsign incorrectly. He spoke so quickly slurring out his call that one letter was missed. I was fortunate enough to hear it but hundreds of ppl that followed got the wrong call sign. Such a shame that he may lose credit in the contest for all those wrong calls.

    ...best way to handle this situation is to follow suit. I generally use the NATO phonetics when casually talking. But when DX contesting, I go with what I am hearing on the frequency since it seems to be understood. If a contact is made and the exchange is Sugar Papa Five King Japan instead of NATO phonetics, and it is understood, then I will also use the DX stations phonetic code in order to make my contact.
     
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  3. UT7UX

    UT7UX Ham Member QRZ Page

    Exactly.
     
  4. N8QIK

    N8QIK Ham Member QRZ Page

    My name is Mark sometimes I use Mexico instead of Mike when spelling my name because when they hear Mike then they think my name is Mike. But I understand exactly what you're saying and I agree
     
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  5. W8LV

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    So what you are saying is: That using NATO phonetics cannot/should NOT be used in ham radio, even though the phonetics have been specifically chosen to decrease ambiguity across all languages on point-to-point radio circuits, and IS understood by most speakers Worldwide...

    I guess that this makes the ITU conventions an Insidious Dastardly Plot, part of the Secret One-World Government. They want to confond our speech, and eventually on this Slippery Slope of Dastardly Deceit, sooner or later? We will ALL be forced to use.... ESPERANTO PHONETICS!

    Yankee
    Oscar
    Uniform

    Mike
    India
    Sierra
    Sierra
    Echo
    Delta

    Tango
    Hotel
    Echo

    Papa
    Oscar
    India
    November
    Tango

    Echo
    November
    Tango
    India
    Romeo
    Echo
    Lima
    Yankee.

    And English? Yes, that's pretty much the Universal Language. Aircraft, Business.

    And, it could be Worse!
    In spite of Efforts by the Francophones to make FRENCH the International Language...this little matter was "Settled" so to speak, at the Bataille des Plaines d'Abraham. In 1759.

    And they have been trying to pretend that it never happened ever since...

    One recalls when on signs at International Ports, they once had signage where the name in French predominately appeared first. Well, I guess that you do have to give them credit for trying...

    How do you feel about "Q" signals?

    10-4 Good Buddy! ;-)

    73 DE W8LV
     
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  6. KV6O

    KV6O Ham Member QRZ Page

    Nope, that's not what I am saying. Please read Post 216
     
  7. W8LV

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    ;-)
     
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  8. W8LV

    W8LV XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Yankee! Got it! ;-)
     
  9. W8LV

    W8LV XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Could be... I wouldn't be suprised:

    In Russia, you don't Tell Time: Time Tells You!

    Stalin rids the Proletariat of that Capitalist Spring Ahead, Fall Back Nonsense for Good:

    From Wiki: "On 21 June 1930, the Soviet Union advanced all clocks by one hour, effectively making the nation run on daylight saving time all year."

    And there it stayed.

    (From National Geographic) “Stalin changed the clocks in the spring of 1930,” Downing explains. “He forced all of the Soviet Union onto [daylight saving time]. And then in October he forgot to tell the Soviets to fall back. So the clocks in every Russian time zone were off by an hour for 61 years.”

    Until Yeltsin (apparently by all accounts, a fan of "Happy Hour") changes it back...On 1 April 1981, when daylight saving time (two hours ahead of standard time) was re-introduced:

    (From National Geographic) "Soviet officials corrected the mistake in March 1991 by not leaping forward at the typical time. The Evening Moscow newspaper advised readers to not move their clock hands, but simply “go to bed as usual.”"

    I wish our time zone would stay the same all year around (I don't care WHICH hour, just pick ONE and go with that!)
    And make 24 hour time the thing referred to commonly. And use the Metric System. And write dates: Year/Month/Day from bigger to smaller, same as time: Bigger to smaller.

    73 DE W8LV
     
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  10. W4FEB

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    I hate the phonetics which ever list you use. E has got to one of the hardest letter to get across. I hear back B, T, D, G. How do you extract those from the word ECHO? They do it. Phonetics in some people is as difficult as CW. And as far as QSL is concerned, put it on a card not on the air to confirm something. Ever since I read someone's objection to "QSL" in voice transmissions, it hit a sore spot in me. I try to avoid the phrase to confirm something. A lot of Q codes have no place in voice communications, period. I guess that comes from my military and telephone background, as numbers just go in one ear and drop out the other side of my head.....
     
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