Using The International Phonetic Alphabet

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by WX4W, Mar 6, 2019.

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  1. KB2PNN

    KB2PNN Ham Member QRZ Page

    Um, it's a treaty, the FCC regs are all based on what's in that treaty and incorporate it by reference as to any international amateur communication. That's what Part 97 is authorized by under international treaty that allows the US government to allow us hams to use HF and satellite international telecommunications stuff. It's not just up to one's own nation since life after WW2. If you have a license from a treaty nation, for example the FCC, it does in fact = the ITU. Because here the FCC and the rest of the US government says so.

    What's the penalty for -ham's- not following a clearly applicable but advisory international standard under an international treaty for call sign identification during a DX ham communication? Your peers call you a lid and you don't get cookies at field day. But that standard is time tested based on linguistic science and a darn good idea because it works.

    And BTW OM, going down to Varick street (?) at 14yo was a pain, screw tests "at their" offices! LOL
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2019
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  2. W8LV

    W8LV XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Remember "Bell Bottoms"? ;-)
  3. W8LV

    W8LV XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    They use NATO phonetics.
  4. WA7PRC

    WA7PRC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yep... advisory (not required).
    So far, in nearly five decades, that hasn't happened to me.
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  5. K3XR

    K3XR Ham Member QRZ Page

    Of course, remember men's pants with white or pink stripes down the side? And who can forget the great Dobie Gillis line of clothes?
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  6. KB2PNN

    KB2PNN Ham Member QRZ Page

    No, they use the ITU's. NATO adopted them as "their own" in a separate formal legal document that only applies to NATO nations (a NATO STANAG if memory serves). I suspect back in the day the Warsaw Pact nations did the same, some order saying "yo, dude's, Stalin agreed to this ITU science based phonetic engineering crap so quit stallin' and learn it..."
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  7. KV6O

    KV6O Ham Member QRZ Page

    I am not talking about aviation - this is about ham radio! I know that English is the standard for aviation, and that the NATO phonetics are used - because it's in English! English is universal in aviation, so NATO phonetics are universal. UNDERSTOOD.

    English is NOT universal in ham radio, therefore NATO phonetics cannot/should not be.

    Why is this so difficult to understand?
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  8. KV6O

    KV6O Ham Member QRZ Page

    Can you point to a reference on this? I am an APCO member, and I have seen nothing mentioned on this "change", nor have I heard of any agencies making the switch to NATO phonetics.
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  9. KA9JLM

    KA9JLM Ham Member QRZ Page

    Who cares ?

    Sounds like weather nets that say do not report Golf ball size hail.

    You have to say the hail is 1.680 inches.

    Same difference. :rolleyes:o_O
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  10. N0TZU

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    That’s a very good point, and I agree that confusion with a location would be a big problem for an aviation situation.

    However in a typical ham DX or contest exchange the content is typically limited to just a call sign so there’s not a similar problem of ambiguity if using Japan for Juliet. Some contests exchange state or provinces but again not likely to be ambiguous. I can’t think of any contests where country names are exchanged but maybe there are.

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