Bryan, I hear there's some good fishing in your neck of the woods. Mabey we can tangle our lines in the lakes up there sometime. Anyways let's get back to our disagreement with one another. I think the HOA's regard antennas as antennas, and while it's true 160 meter wires are larger than ones used for bands like 20m, I don't see why antennas like trapped dipoles or magnetic loops couldn't be utilized to save space and to reduce the visual impact on the HOA environment. It shouldn't really matter to the HOA if it's a TV antenna or if it's a 160m magloop really. Another thought is this could create a new antenna market.for HOA friendly antennas.