tuning a 6m band Ringo antenna

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  1. VK6YSF

    VK6YSF Ham Member QRZ Page

    I have just rebuilt an old 2m Ringo antenna for 6m with all dimensions being consistent with a 6m band Ringo and while the antenna tunes up reasonably well it a appears very deaf. I'm wondering if it is possible to tune the matching ring so as to get a low SWR, but create some sort of self resonance that only makes the antenna appear as a good match.

    Hope this is clear. and keen for any thoughts.

    See link for antenna details. http://vk6ysf.com/ringo_antenna_6m_band.htm

  2. WB2WIK

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    It appears you didn't follow the Cushcraft AR-6 design; did you download the AR-6 manual to see what they did?

    The 6m Ringo uses an open-end coax stub as a fixed capacitor across the feedpoint, etc.

    Of course the Ringo is a modified J-pole design where instead of making a vertical "J" that wastes a lot of space, they just wrapped the transforming section around the bottom as a tapped loop; both designs suffer poor common-mode rejection, so the length of conductive mast and the length of the coaxial cable used to feed them are part of the antenna. It's possible to have a "bad" length of mast (if it's conductive) and/or a "bad" length of coax which will still allow a great SWR but since they are part of the radiating system some lengths create cancellation while other lengths might provide enforcement.

    The design (like the J-pole) really needs a choke balun right below the feedpoint and either be isolated electrically from the mast or used with an insulating mast, although certain "tuned mast lengths" can work well.
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  3. VK6YSF

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    Yes; you are right, however I have seen a lot of home brew Ringo antennas for bands such as 10/11m without the coax stub, so figured it may not be necessary, could be wrong.
    Also agree about common mode issue with is antenna and have included a chocking balun. See link; http://vk6ysf.com/balun_choke_balun_low_vhf.htm

    Looks like I will have to bring it down and include the coax stub.........

    I was also wondering if there are more than one taping position on the matching ring?

  4. LA3RLA

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    Maybe it is a form of J-pole. I think it is not only a tranformer with tapping, but a paralell tuned coil. A part of the capacity is between antenna rod and the bottom pipe. If it is not enough you must add more capacity. I think it is deaf because it is not in resonance.

    I want to make some 6m antennas and find which has the best radiation. J-pole, EFHW with untuned tranformer, EFHW with paralell tuned transformer, ringo and 5/8 antenna. Why so much work? Some fun and curiosity, but most to find det best antenna.

    My 20m EFHW works 3db better with L-match than with untuned ferrite transformer. The analyzer said all good and resonance, but the practical radiation...

    I looked at your page yesterday and find diameter for each band. I need antenna for 6m, 4m and 2m, maybe I end up with paralell dipols.
  5. WA7PRC

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    You are wrong. An end-fed /2 radiator presents a very high impedance (theoretically, infinite). In practice, in the 1-2K range. A tapped inductor (autotransformer) can be used to couple it to a Lo-Z feedline. The tapped ring does that. However, the inductance of the ring needs to be resonated with a parallel C:
    Cushcraft used coaxial cable (about 30pF/ft) to do that. It appears they used 7" of RG-11/U (pn 13-AR6-TS, link). The ring on my AR-10 is the same 13" diameter but, the stub is longer (16⅝") to resonate on 10m.

    I didn't care for the cheesy aluminum connectors and other items, and made some modifications to make it mechanically more stout (link). :)
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  6. K0UO

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    Yes they can be tuned, the two meter version actually has adjustable screws that you can move around
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  7. WB2WIK

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    So do the 6m and 10m versions.

    But tapping the ring alone, like on the 2m model, doesn't work on the 6m or 10m model -- it needs the capacitor, which is formed by a stub of coax.
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  8. WA7PRC

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    I found a discrepancy in the BOM for the AR-6. The info on the website sez the stub is made from RG-11/U (about 16pF/ft) but, the grainy manual sez RG-8/U (about 30pF/ft). o_O
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  9. WB2WIK

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    Good point.

    I actually have an AR-6 and built it per instructions and it works fine.

    I don't recall the coax used, but do NOT recall a small center conductor like RG-11 has, so I'm pretty sure it was RG-213 (50 Ohm) sized. The stub it came with is so short I'm not sure it had a printed designation on it; cutting from a spool it would be luck of the draw whether it's printed or not on a short length.

    The C required can likely be calculated, and the coax stub replaced by a doorknob cap or something...coax is cheaper, which is I'm sure why they used that!
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  10. KB2MXV

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    I just put together an AR6 should there be continuity between the tip and outside of the SO239 on the antenna? I took off my RG213 from the antenna and there is no continuity on my feedline, so then I tested the SO-239 connector on the antenna and I had continuity. Is this correct?

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