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The Not So Simple Dipole

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  1. M1MRB

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    ICQPodcast Episode 349 -

    In this episode, Martin (M1MRB) is joined by Chris Howard M0TCH, Dan Romanchik KB6NU and Edmund Spicer M0MNG to discuss the latest Amateur / Ham Radio news. Colin (M6BOY) rounds up the news in brief and in this episode we feature The not so simple Dipole


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  2. IU3EGK

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  3. W7EED

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    Did I hear the speaker say that a folded dipole is one half of the length of a conventional λ/2 dipole? Oops ...
    Jim W7EED
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  4. KD5PUR

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    You did, the overall length is the same but since it folded it's shorter than it's full length.
  5. W7EED

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    Actually a half wave folded dipole is the same length as a conventional dipole; λ/2. The impedance is higher but the length is the same. From the ARRL Handbook 2017:
    Folded Dipole.JPG
    Jim W7EED
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  6. W1YW

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    Jim is correct.

    A folded dipole is 1 wavelength in perimeter (as he showed). It has a higher drive impedance and a wider bandwidth than a 1/2 wave dipole.
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  7. W1YW

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    If you closely bend back a 1/2 wavelength-length dipole to 1/4 wave, you will get phase cancellation and a funky impedance. IOW the performance goes kaput.
  8. KB9SIR

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    I inherited one of these of something similar and would like to know more about it. It is about 18" separation speed with pic spreaders. What con you tell me about it? It tunes on about every HF band. I'm old but young in ham experience.
    KB9SIR. John
  9. W1YW

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    That 'skinny loop' in the picture is a folded dipole, and has 1 wavelength perimeter. Its used because it has a moderate--not narrow--bandwidth.
  10. W1YW

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    Maybe this will help. The red arrows are the currents, which are in phase. The currents go to zero and then reverse phase , every 1/2 wave. That's why the arrows are in the same direction on top and bottom.

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