The 30 meters non-contest

Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by W8MRL, Dec 1, 2014.

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  1. W9JEF

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    W1AW/x operators have also been very active on 30 meters.

    I work 'em just to see how long it takes to bust through the pileups

    --I don't submit logs, or give a rat's patoot about the "points."
  2. K0RGR

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    From a dictionary -
    "Contest : noun1.a race, conflict, or other competition between rivals, as for a prize.

    2.struggle for victory or superiority."

    Since this event does not involve any form of competition, it's not a contest. Period. How can you have a contest when no results are tallied?

    All forms of organized on-air activity are not contests. This is more of an 'activity night' which is pretty common for under-utilized bands.
  3. W0JMP

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    By the dictionary definition, WAS, DXCC, and the ARRL "Centennial QSO Party" all seem to fit. Competition? Check. Prize? Check. Struggle for superiority? Check.

    This is why I would like to see a clear, concise definition of a amateur radio contest.

    Would anyone like to write a definition? Please?

    Danny, W0JMP
  4. NN3W

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    What we see in real contests is a required log that must be submitted and cross-checked against other logs, a definitive and final score that is based on on-the-air activity which can be verified, a fixed duration of time (e.g., 12 or 48 hours), and possibly an award for top finishers.

    CQWW has all of these things; NAQP has all of these things; All Asia DX has all of these things; Field Day does not; Straight Key Night does not.
  5. N8MSA

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    From the European Radio Amateur's Organization website:

    Logs: for statistic purposes only, we ask participants to submit their logs to in ADIF format, where the filename should be your callsign (e.g. EA3RKF.ADI).
    There will be no results or league tables, only statistical information about number of QSOs, countries, callsigns, OMs/YLs/Clubs, etc.
    Certificate of Participation: for those sending the log and with a minimum of 10% QSOs confirmed.
    Maybe I'm being naive, but I'm struggling to see how this can be construed as a contest.
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2014
  6. W3WN

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    Fine, Dave. Have it your way. I respectfully disagree with you and we'll leave it at that.

    However: When the inevitable complaints come in from The Usual Suspects about the "contest", during the 48 hours that this "non-contest" operating activity takes place... just make sure you point out to the complainers that this is not a devious or nefarious plan by Contesters to Take Over 30 Meters -- as the accusations no doubt will allege, in some form or another -- but was just a fun activity by these groups to spur activity.

    It just happened to sound like a contest, and be run like a contest, and request logs like a contest, and offer a "prize" upon log verification like a contest, and will print results like a contest. But it's not a contest. Gotcha.
  7. KC2UGV

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    It doesn't irritate people. 30M is quite often very silent. I enjoy the QSO parties on 30M.
  8. KC2UGV

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    You're not being naive. There's no points. No standings board. Nothing that makes a contest a contest, except for log submissions to a central group. Some people are just quick to get their panties in a bunch.
  9. KY6M

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    Finally, some activity on a sleepy band...
  10. W5WN

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    It already appears to irritate a few who have posted in this thread. 30 meters is rarely silent here. Many times 40 or 20 meters won't have activity due to propogation but there are plenty of stations on 30 meters. What QSO parties have you worked on 30 meters?
  11. KC2UGV

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    And, the people it irritates here in this thread:

    * Likely never use the 30M band, and are only complaining because the thread is here
    * If they do use the 30M band, they think they can only hang out in one watering hole, forgetting it's an entire band for digital and CW
    * Complain and whine about everything

    The biggest complaint is that it'll make a crowded band. Um, so what? That's a good thing. If you don't like it, turn the VFO and don't participate. I don't think too many people are rock-bound anymore.
  12. W5WN

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    You're painting with a broad brush and making a lot of assumptions about those irritated or opposed to the "QSO Party". Maybe the band sounds quiet in New York. However, being geographically between the east and west coast and between Canada and Central America, I hear a lot of activity on 30 meters most of the time. You probably don't have the same kind of propagation. For example, propagation to the east for you during daylight hours would extend out into the Atlantic ocean and probably to the arctic to the north. Probably not too many hams or activity in those areas.

    As stated in your original post, what QSO parties have you worked on 30 meters that you have enjoyed?
  13. KC2UGV

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    ARRL Century... Another non-contest. And, many of the 30MDG QSO parties they have throughout the year...
  14. W5WN

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    Thanks. Nothing going on bothers me, although some seem to get heartburn over the ARRL Century operations on 30 meters. I don't even notice the digital since I'm 99% CW on 30 meters.
  15. K8JD

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    Doesn't bother me as long as those DIGI @#$%^& #$%^ers stay above 10125 !!!!and don't QRM the CW portion of the band.
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