So this is why I'm finally canning 'hotmail' after all these years.

Discussion in 'Computers, Hardware, and Operating Systems' started by WA3LKN, Oct 11, 2019.

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  1. KT1F

    KT1F Ham Member QRZ Page

    I have a outlook.com account that I just grabbed for the name. I've published it here before and will again as an experiment kt1f@outlook.com

    I just checked it and the only thing in the inbox is a few things that I know I signed up for. Mostly StackOverflow.
     
  2. WA3LKN

    WA3LKN Ham Member QRZ Page


    I have at least 4 or 5 work e-mail addresses and wouldn't use them for anything else other than work. They make it very clear that they have full access to your work e-mail. And along those lines, every place I work has a key logger too. So I would recommend NEVER using work e-mails for anything else or surfing the internet from work. In fact, for every one of my co-workers, I have their non-work e-mail address even for work related items I don't want 'administration' to see.

    They can theoretically read every mail I send from a work-owned computer, even using a non-work e-mail account so I use my phone on the non-WIFI setting if I have to send an e-mail during the day.

    And I don't think the privacy issues on g-mail are any worse than hotmail, which made it clear years ago they could read my e-mails and target products to me based on the e-mail messages.
     
  3. G4COE

    G4COE Ham Member QRZ Page

    I've never thought about spam, I use Thunderbird on Virgin Media.... seems all my spam go's to my Virgin Email app which I never use while my Thunderbird app is 'squeaky clean'.

    Dave
     
  4. KF5LJW

    KF5LJW Ham Member QRZ Page

    You are welcome my friend. I learned the hard way too some time ago which is somewhat embarrassing because I work in Telecom and should have known better. That was back in Earthlink dial-up days using tins cans and string. Today, if all that is needed is an email address without verification I just make it up like DopeFromHope@hack.com or 1600 Pennsylvania WDC. If they verify by sending an email you have to respond to, send it to your Hotmail account.

    Too late to help folks with cell phones as all numbers have been compromised , so changing numbers is not likely to help much. I knew that from the get go because I am in the biz. I never ever give out my cell number unless I am certain who it is and trust. Never ever answer my phone unless I am absolutely sure who it is. Do not send your ANI, you can turn that off in your cell and some you can tell it to block ANI on all unknown numbers, but sends ANI when you call someone on your contact list. If someone has something important or really wants to talk to me can leave a message.

    May sound over the top never answering the phone unless you know who it is. But know this: There are thousands of robots that call residential and cell phones to verify it is a working number. They either sell your number as verified or a company robot verifying it is a legit number, than sometime later you get a call from sales or whatever scam they are running. Once a marketer has you number, game over as it will be sold and shared.

    You can always get a new and clean email address. Cells phones you are pretty much screwed. There are no new numbers spammers do not know about. So technically advanced they can make it look like they are your neighbor when in fact they are Chi-Coms or Ruskies.

    While I am at it use a VPN and use DuckDuckGo as your internet search engine. Use Google, Bing or the like and you are being watched and tracked. Ever wonder how those adds pop up and by some miracle was what you were looking for yesterday.

     
  5. WA3LKN

    WA3LKN Ham Member QRZ Page

    Of course you can also discontinue paying for anything with a credit card too, as every transaction is sliced and diced bought and sold.

    Not much to do about facial recognition unless you get plastic surgery every few years.
     
  6. WQ6N

    WQ6N Ham Member QRZ Page

    I fully agree with keeping the Hotmail account active. One can configure hotmail only to allow what is in your contact list and the rest goes directly to the spam (null) bucket. The spam will be auto dumped every 30 days.
    There are a number of other active filter engines that remove spam, block ads, and as well whole regions.
    I use pfsense firewall, pfblockerNG and snort. Its all free, but I do pay annually for the Snort signature support and I-Blocklist for dynamic block lists.
    For those with a Linux background, its hard to beat Postfix MTA with Amavisd-new for the filter engines.
    As always the weakest link in any boundary defense is the human behind that boundary.
     
  7. WA3LKN

    WA3LKN Ham Member QRZ Page

    I switched to g-mail and so far have been very pleased. It's been about 2 weeks and no spam.

    After around 22 or 23 years on hotmail, it took at least 15 hours minimum to convert everything over to the new e-mail address. It was like moving. Your financial organizations, professional organizations, travel related websites you use like airlines, car rental and frequent flier programs, on-line retailers, USPS, publications you get, and everybody else you do business with had to get notified. The easiest part was the personal contacts. You can download all of your contacts from Outlook to an excel file, and select-copy-and-paste them in 100 person batches using 'blind copy' and nobody sees whom else you're e-mailing to.

    And g-mail had a utility that would transfer all of my contacts automatically from Outlook into gmail.

    What was interesting was the variation in how easy it was to update my 'profile' with the new e-mail address with various organizations. You get to see who's got their act together from an IT standpoint and who has crappy website design. And who is concerned about security and who isn't. Amazon took about 10 seconds or less to change my e-mail address. Michigan AAA (the car club folks): not possible. And when I called and spoke to a live person, they couldn't figure it out either. Their IT people generated a 'ticket' which is what IT people do, and eventually it became possible. Waste of my time. There were at least a half a dozen calls I had to make just to change my lousy e-mail address.

    And some organizations send confirmation e-mails to your old e-mail address to make sure it's you changing the e-mail address, with an alphanumeric code you have to enter into an e-mail reply sent to your new e-mail address. Some financial organizations sent snail mails notifying me of the change.

    And some organizations have different divisions that don't talk to each other. So one arm continues to send e-mails to the old e-mail address and a different part of the organization sends e-mails to the new address.

    And it was none too soon. Over 4,000 spams in the past couple weeks since I switched.

    2-weeks after switching.jpg
     
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  8. W5UAA

    W5UAA Ham Member QRZ Page

    This is the reason I've struggled my whole life to keep things as simple as possible. I'm ready if I disconnect from the internet today and have no further access to anything on the internet on a moment's notice. I'll make 8 phone calls telling folks I can no longer pay my bills over the internet, send me paper bills or they won't get paid and that's taken care of. Then a handful of other phone calls as I think of the things I want to keep doing business with.

    Having been involved with the internet since it changed from BBN 1822 to TCP/IP, I'm tired of it.
     
  9. N1OOQ

    N1OOQ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Wow, some of you folks are way too connected.
     
  10. WF7A

    WF7A Subscriber QRZ Page

    It's been only been the last few months where I noticed the spam level in my Hotmail account has skyrocketed--maybe because it's the holiday season, I don't know. I do know that the rules I've set up and Outlook's blocking functions arent' working at all...and yes, I know what I'm doing.

    The latest volley of spams have my hotmail account name encoded as part of the sender's address; even though I set up a rule to filter those, it's not working. : S

    I use gmail for my non-purchase-related communications--that's worked well for years; I just might create a new account there just for purchases to see how well it filters spam.
     

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