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  1. AC0OB

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    Most of the good nurses I have known went through a 3 year program and interned at a hospital.

    My wife did this and I can say she knows more about pharmaceutical effects and patient care than any doctor.

    She later went on to get her B.S. only because she was elevated to a position of management for large ambulatory surgery centers.

  2. N2EY

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    And when did she do that 3 year program?

    I ask because nursing has changed enormously in the past few decades. What is expected today is much more than what was expected previously.
  3. AC0OB

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    After getting some experience at a Motorola Service Center I decided to get my AAS in electronics. Did that and finally got bored with that. I then decided I wanted to go into medicine.

    Well, I did go to med school and while interning I became dissatisfied with having to come in at crazy hours for some idiot who decided to get drunk and jump on a motorcycle, deliver a baby at 2:00AM for a mother who felt she deserved free medical care, etc., etc.

    I then decided I liked mathematics so I took all the math I could and had planned on teaching. Got bored with that (too much theory - not enough practical applications presented), so I went into engineering for two years. Got bored with that and then majored in Physics, and that was one of the best routes I have taken.

    Later, the company I was working with decided we should all get advanced Aerospace Science and Engineering Degrees. Did that (company paid) and became an industry Scientist/Engineer, depending on what the company needed.

    So, I am retired now from industry but still teach at various local Universities and enjoy Amateur radio.

    I guess I was one of those people who couldn't decide what he wanted to be when he didn't grow up. :D

    So don't be afraid to work in industry and don't be afraid to change Majors/Directions in your life. :cool:


  4. AC0OB

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    She did that route a number of years ago.

    Most of the local colleges and Universities around here offer the three year program in Nursing, but some nurses go on to one more year to get a B.S. behind their names.

    Here is the problem in today's Nursing environment as I see it:

    Patient care is or should be the number one priority. Courses in human anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, anesthesiology, post-operative pain management, etc., are necessary and required. A three year curriculum will do that.

    The remainder of the BS nursing curriculum involves Hippa and other government regulations, management of medical staff, etc. I know because many of my students in Physics classes are nursing students.

    So yes, things have changed in Nursing and a B.S. can be advantageous for your future career path, but Patient Care is still the number one priority.

  5. W0KDT

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    Wow. You live in quite a different world than I do.

    In my life I have worked with a Nobel prize winner, rocket scientists (Jet Propulsion Lab), many PhDs, and a full spectrum of lower wage, non-college, people as tenants (landlord about 20 years) and as CEO of a small manufacturing company. I think I've met and worked with a pretty good cross-section of Americans.

    In my world, the difference between college and non-college is primarily caused by life circumstances. Picking the wrong parents for example or, especially bad, picking the wrong color parents. Picking the wrong place to be born is another one. These are by far the biggest factors, but other circumstances drive things, too. Sex, family size, family stability, pure darn luck, ... Yes, a small fraction of the non-college population is not smart enough to make it in college, but by and large in my world the difference between the college and non-college Gaussian distributions of intelligence is small. Life's circumstances drive most people's situations.

    (I have also known some really stupid college graduates, often the ones that also chose unmarketable degrees.)

    Think about this: A typical white American male college graduate had about a 1 in 20 chance of being born American, maybe a 50/50 chance of being born white, a 50/50 chance of being born male, and maybe a one in three chance of being born into a family that valued education and could support him in it. So that's an overall probability of well under one in one hundred. Basically, before he ever pooped in a diaper he had won the lottery.

    We have traveled internationally fairly extensively, somewhat north of 40 countries so far, including some very poor ones like India and Ethiopia. Same story on intelligence being pretty universal but fewer college-educated people. For example, the smartest and hardest working garbage picker in Mumbai will never be the president of Ford Motors (or go to college).

    Sorry to hear about the sad state of your world AC0GT.
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  6. N2EY

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    I suspect that number is rather large. Things are different now.

    Around here, three-year RN programs are mostly long gone. BSN is the way to go, because there's so much more to know.

    Of course - but there's more.

    Many nurses go on to become Nurse Practitioners, which requires at least an MSN degree. So starting with a BSN is a natural path.

    I know several nurses who are recent graduates, and their educational requirements are impressive. In the University of Pittsburgh program, all BSNs have at least 1300 hours of (unpaid) clinical experience before graduation. Most have more, and have also held jobs in patient care and related fields as students.

    As medical science advances, there is more to know. Go back a few decades, and all sorts of procedures and treatments that are routine today were completely unknown.
  7. KA2CZU

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    My son went the nursing route, really excels in Patient Care, and is a people person to the max. But career wise he went on to get his Nurse Practitioner doctorate.
    One daughter was in a dead end medically related job (blood cell saver tech... not a bad job, but with a bad company) and went on to get her M.S. Phy. Assistant degree.
    Both are very happy with their choices, even with the ever increasing reg & mgmt related parts of the job.
  8. AC0OB

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    Nursing has changed and the colleges and Universities have kept up with current technology. But you asked specifically about Nursing, and Nursing proper is about patient care.

    Many nurses do go on to become P.A.'s and one of our friends is a P.A. and is very intelligent. I know of two nurses who went on to become Ophthamologist medical researchers (PhD's) in Stem Cell research for retinal regrowth.

    So as with many starting careers, Nursing can pique further interests in other and more advanced medical fields.

    My wife has a Plaque that says: "Doctors tell you what's wrong with you and what their going to do about it. Nurses tell you what the doctors said and keep the doctors from harming you." :D

  9. K4KWH

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    Career railroad man. I guess you'd call that a trade. Kinda a unique one at that! A tough way to make a living, no joke. Has some down sides. rotating shifts, on call, something called "The Extra Board". Subject to being furloughed a lot--usually around Christmas. Being forced to a different location on the Division. Travel. LOTS of night work. Cold, hot, rain, snow; no difference--you're gonna be out there trudging along some yard track, alone, except for your radio. Nobody around. Dangerous. Gotta stay focused; trains start up without notice. And sometimes its sooooooo DARK out there. Sounds really bad, doesn't it?:confused: Well, yes and no. The UP side was, if you like machinery like I do, you not only got to be around machines, but you saw some VERY unusual machines that the general public never usually got close to. The age of steam, for example, ended around 1950-'55-ish, you wouldn't expect to see steam locomotives anymore. Again, yes and no. Our railroad, along with some others such as UP, ran summer steam excursions with some really huge locomotives. Because I was in Line of Road clerical (yard office, etc), I had to work with these engines--including handing up train orders to them. Sometimes, it reminded me of 1940 instead of 1981 when I went out to give orders to a steam crew. On foggy nights, it was like TCM and "film noir" with an engine sitting in the yard or beside the station with the air pumps going (SSH-click, SSH-click,SSH-click) and steam rising. If it was chilly, I could climb into the cab where it was toasty and warm me bones by the fire! I rode these engines, either thru the yards, OR by deadheading home in the cab. I also rode the E8 diesel cab units, too. There's an FP-7 unit now at the NC Transportation museum; I got aboard that one once and hid from a pesky railfan that just was full of non-stop questions.
    And OH! The old wye track was located behind our shops at Charlotte, NC. I got to watch them ease engine NW 611 slo-o-o-oly around the wye to turn it. The big 4-8-4 was almost too long a wheel base for the radius, and Track Supervisor Webb was sweating bullets as she creaked and snapped around that turn!:D
    There were track machines that were overhauled in the shops I bid back into around 1984, and those little "putt-putt" motor cars you used to see out there. When the company abandoned the M-19 Fairmont crew cars( some rail buffs call 'em 'track speeders'--where they get that from, we never knew). I loaded what seemed like hundreds of them onto private vehicles and wondered what in the world would these people DO with the things? I feared somebody would put one on a live track and get killed.
    We had a antique hand car that remained hidden at our shops for years. We got it out a few times and pumped it up and down along the yard track behind the backshop. A very different career. Yes, a trade. I was not a college guy. A rough way to make a living, but now I'm retired, I wouldn't go back and "trade" it in for another line of work. And it didn't cost me $50,000 in tuition to do it, either!:D
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  10. WD0BCT

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    Accepting change and being willing to follow opportunity is very important. When I was unleashed from college I pursued power plant engineering assignments for the first 10 years of my career. When those assignments dried up I pursued whatever was available. Industrial, commercial, aerospace, communications and the last 5 years of my career were in upgrading and adding pollution controls on power plants I had originally been a design or start up engineer on. Don’t expect to be a widget specialist all of your life!

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