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Should Bush release some Oil reserve

Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by W0UZR, Jun 2, 2004.

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  1. K6UEY

    K6UEY Ham Member QRZ Page

    N6WK,
    Well if you start paying your field hands 25 or 30 dollars an hour you would be lucky to pay 10 bucks a head on the black market for lettuce. And you don't have to worry about the Mexican worker on welfare he is willing to earn his keep by working,and what are you going to do with all the liberals who get re-elected by promising more welfare to the voters,you can't send them to Iraq, they only approve of the Wars that they start.No I think the union's and the leftists Socialists are a much bigger problem in this country than the mexicans will ever be.And as to the worker who doesn't want to work he will have lettuce supplied by Welfare but what about the other 99 % of the people in the country,how long are you going to starve them to make your point to the lazy worker?? I guess you could tell them since they have no cake to eat they can eat the fly's....... [​IMG]
     
  2. K6PME

    K6PME Ham Member QRZ Page

    California can do without the mexican laborers. There is more than enough people in the "give-away" state to take care of the field work if we just quit paying them NOT to work. Even a drug addict will work if he's hangry enough.
     
  3. K6PME

    K6PME Ham Member QRZ Page

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N7SYY @ June 01 2004,20:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't believe I agree with N6WK. What's wrong with the left coast, giving same cost education to illegals?
    N7SYY[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    You called it SYY.......The left coast!

    Unfortunately it's the more populated area's therefore more votes. The rural areas that I'm from are most definately right but we're a minority at the poles.
     
  4. W0UZR

    W0UZR Ham Member QRZ Page

    WWOE! I agree with the principal of what you said, but it most certainly isn't Christian like that to send them to Iraq.

    On one hand I see that we are bleeding ourselves dry by these illegal's being here. And defiantly don't agree with them getting benefits, welfare, or any other program.

    And on the other hand I don't blame them doing whatever it takes to feed their families. If I was a poor man down there I confess. I would be doing the same thing. I'd be coming here and go to work to try and feed my family...Need to have a little compassion for your fellow man.... [​IMG]

    So,,,What I'm saying is,,,YOU CAN&quot;T BLAME THEM. (not shouting, just making it more visible) Need to blame the farmers for hiring them and putting them to work...

    NO,,,You can't blame them either. Cause if the farmers hired Americans, then a head of lettuce would be high. So If I had a third hand, I can see where the farmer is coming from if I were a farmer. He has to feed his family too.

    The Government is well aware of this, but they look the other way. They know that the farmer would go under if they forced all the Mexicans out and made the farmer hire just Americans.

    No matter which way you look at it, it's a catch 22.
     
  5. W5HTW

    W5HTW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Doesn't anyone anywhere ever wonder why they don't fix the problems in Mexico, instead of exporting them to the USA? Mexico is a poor country, but the primary reason is corruption. Everyone from the local dog catcher on up has to get his 'bite' of the under-the-table pie, and as you climb higher, the slice gets much, much bigger.

    We here in the USA should not be trying to make Mexico the 51st state. But that is where we are. Vicente Fox wants completely open borders. Mexican truck drivers going all the way to Chicago from Chihuahua, taking work from US truck drivers. If Fox would take a look around his own country, instead of looking at the US as being &quot;the solution,&quot; he may could find another route. What we have is Mexicans coming to the US and they simply transport their problems, including their economy and corruption, here, lowering our economical standards.

    There are some major and serious pushes to give illegal immigrants full voting rights! Huh? I mean, HUH?!!! Can I vote in France? Or Austria? Or Mexico? Yeah, as soon as I ride that pig over the moon I can. But we have enough dumb Americans that think (forgive me, Martha) &quot; That's a good thing.&quot; Yeah, buddy, and they will outgrow (as they are doing) and quickly outvote those of us who were born here and who still hang onto English as our language. El Presidente del Los Estados Unidos, Juan Gonzales y Gutierrez de Sonora.

    I'm for legal immigration, but controlled, in moderation. Personally I feel every illegal immigrant, Mexican, Vietnamese, Chinese, or anything else, should be hunted down and instantly, and I do mean instantly, deported. No hesitation, no excuses. And should also be barred from applying for legal entry into the US for at least 25 years.

    For generations we had immigrants who came to this country legally, who came here to become a part of this nation. Then we started this crap on our southern borders (including Florida) and suddenly we are full of 15-18 percent of legal immigrants who came here not to join our nation but to create their own from &quot;back home.&quot;

    To them: Take part IN America, not part OF it. If you don't want to be American first, and your culture second, then go somewhere else and be your heritage first. Stop being half-American (Mexican-American; Vietnamese-American; Chinese-American.) Be American. Remember your heritage and your culture, but if you want to be an American, speak our language, learn OUR traditions, and put your allegience to American first, culture second.

    Yeah, let's close our borders. All of them. I don't mean stop the legal workforce. Down in El Paso there are many legals who cross the border into the USA daily, to work here legally, then return to Mexico that evening. I see no problem with that. Legal immigrants, legal workers, legal work visas, all suit me just fine. But we have been invaded (I can't say 'without firing a shot!') and are being taken over. Let Fox worry about his country getting so good that I might want to slip into his country and work!

    Ed
     
  6. W6EZ

    W6EZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Nope!
    I don't think any President has.
    There was a call for Clinton to release oil reserves and even though I am no supporter of Clinton I didn't fault him for keeping the reserves as what they are, reserves.
     
  7. KI4BOO

    KI4BOO Ham Member QRZ Page

    Stop whining...

    Gas in the US is still really cheap.

    Imagine if we had actually gone over to the metric system. They would be selling gas for $2.75 a litre rather than $2.75 a gallon. Almost 4 litres in a gallon...

    Also, you must recognize the fact that a person without a social security number cant collect welfare... All they can do is stand in line at the soup kitchen if they want a handout. Most soup kitchens are privately operated by churches and the like, and anybody can go there and get a meal... Even you.

    Almost all of the immigrants who come here illegally do so so that they can work and make a living. They are more than willing to pick vegetables in the hot fields all day for low pay, and us fat and lazy Americans aren't.

    The problem is the American citizens who are already mooching off of the system.
     
  8. K0RGR

    K0RGR Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Without secure borders, our attempts at Homeland Security are not reassuring. I'm a bit more concerned about a nuke coming down here from Canada than from Mexico, but with so many people getting in, who knows?

    We've opened the border to Mexican trucks now. I noticed one from a Mexican produce company parked in front of our Wal Mart Superstore all weekend. I always suspected that was where they got their produce, but so does everybody else now.

    But, back to the original post: no, President Bush should not take oil out of the petroleum reserve. But, as Mr. Kerry proposes, he should stop buying oil on the world market at its current high price and adding it to the reserve, which is probably not really needed. I was suspicious of the President when he started adding to the reserve some time ago - it appeared to be nothing but an attempt to raise the price of oil at the time.

    However, I think everyone agrees that this will not have an impact on the price of gas at the pumps. Right now. gasoline prices are being driven by a shortage of refining capacity, not by a lack of crude oil.

    I can't find documentation of it, but I thought that the first round of Bush tax cuts included about $700 Billion for various energy companies, intended to stimulate the creation of new refining capacity. Maybe that was what was proposed and it didn't make it through Congress - I'm not sure. Relaxation of the air quality standards was initiated for this purpose, but that has been thrown out by the Federal courts for the time being.

    According to the oil company executive I heard bloviating on CNN this afternoon, drilling in ANWR might yield us 1.5% of the total world oil reserves. This is enough to give us a million barrels of oil a day for 30 years. But, our current demand is 40-50 million barrels a day, so ANWR is not salvation, though it would help.

    What we must all keep in mind is that the oil companies have a responsibility to their share holders to maximize their profits in any legal way possible. If that means they increase profits by passing on inflated prices to the consumer, how fortunate for them. Overall, if consumers believe they are being gouged, it will hopefully spur the deployment of alternative fuels and energy sources.

    Now, the only alternative to letting the the market drive these decisions, is to nationalize the oil industry, as Mexico has done. Strange, in the last gas crisis, gas was plentiful and cheap in Mexico, while we were standing in lines. This time, the gas is more expensive in Mexico than it is here. Wierd - also, PEMEX is one of the top three suppliers of oil to the United States, yet it is one of the most inefficient oil companies in the world, not even including the estimated $1.5 billion in oil lost to graft and corruption each year.
     
  9. KI4BOO

    KI4BOO Ham Member QRZ Page

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N6WK @ June 02 2004,19:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you feel the need to take care of these &quot;law breakers&quot;, perhaps you should move to Mexico and open up a soup kitchen for them there.

    The problem is, American Liberals (as yourself) seem to turn a &quot;Blind Eye&quot; to the law breakers that sneak into our country in the first place.  I say, catch them, deport them or Shoot them as invaders!!!  After all, they are NOTHING more then Common criminals.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    ...and give them a handout in Mexico? I'd rather let the churches and such do it here, and get cheap vegetables as a bonus for doing so. Of course, I'd much rather find an American to pick my vegetables for me. Unfortunately, there aren't any willing to do it for $.10 a bucket, unless YOU are.

    OR, we can just expand our exploitation of impovershed countries like Mexico and Taiwan to make up the difference in lost labor from tightening up our borders. While we are at it, we can outsource some more American jobs as well.
     
  10. KI4BOO

    KI4BOO Ham Member QRZ Page

    It wouldnt be a matter of paying a little bit more for our vegetables... It would be a matter of paying TONS more.

    Picking crops would be similar to garbage collecting, in that they would have to pay American workers $15 to $20 an hour to get them to want to do the job. Legal migrant workers usually make minimum wage, and illegal workers much less than that. If we put Americans in the fields, the farmers would just have to pass the savings along to us. How does $15 for a bag of carrots sound?

    Maybe, we can just buy rice from China and such, rather than paying migrant workers to tend the rice patties in Texas?
     
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