So after doing even more reading about dealing with noise, am surprised that its not clearly explained that the bands do not close down with noise at the S7 to S9 level? Background noise does not get this bad? That locations, and set up configuration of your antenna are the most significant impact to using anything in ham radio. Was watching a video test of someone doing PSK31 and noticed that the waterfall display showed almost no noise on 20M. Just wow. My own equivalent shows all noise, and the meter on my radio hovers around S7 to S9. Just figure that the QRP talent here would know more about how to deal with the noise, or at least educate me about what I will expect to see. Unfortunately my location is top brick apartment in a complex, with likely the air conditioning equipment duct work about me. But even when I was listening to a field set up radio on 20M with a nice antenna set up, all I heard was noise. Am so new that have not yet recognized that might be the normal for many? That s7 to s9 noise is a way of life, and working JT65 or CW is the only possible solution.