Repeater Use and Restrictions

Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by KI7LFD, Jan 9, 2020.

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  1. W7IMM

    W7IMM Ham Member QRZ Page

    ......see 97.205(e).......

    Look at it another way. If a visiting person (or amateur) is using your station and/or using your callsign you can absolutely place limitations on that amateurs content.

    Essentially they do "own" the frequency if they have coordinated that frequency with the area amateur coordinating authority. (like https://www.wwara.org/ in the Pacific NW)

    And the FCC has in the past conducted enforcement actions against amateurs that tried to interfere by either "parking" on the input or output of the repeaters that were coordinated by claiming "I was here first" etc.....
     
  2. KF5FEI

    KF5FEI Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yep. And, at least in our area, they allow clubs to hold license classes in their facilities, even allowing non-members to attend the classes. I've taught and tested at many of them.

    And don't forget the "closed" repeaters that exist in some areas. And the repeater owners who have had to kick the wackos and trouble-makers off the repeaters.
     
  3. KW0FRE

    KW0FRE Platinum Subscriber Platinum Subscriber QRZ Page

    No, essentially they don't. You wouldn't have had to put own in quotation marks if they did. Enforcement by the FCC is for willfully interfering with a frequency. That doesn't imply ownership. Using a frequency for simplex communication with another ham isn't "parking" on a frequency. Repeater owners do not own a frequency. Period.
     
  4. KX4O

    KX4O Ham Member QRZ Page

    Some of the advice given thus far is dangerous. Some important things to consider...
    • What the ARRL thinks doesn't matter.
    • What the FCC thinks does matter as much as what power is conveyed to the trustee/operator of a repeater. As far as the FCC is concerned, these operators can control what flows through their repeater.
    • However, the FCC's jurisdiction ends at their fence and won't protect you from civil or criminal liabilities set by other laws.
    Hence repeater trustees and operators are well advised to not assume carte blanche on any ole restriction they think up. Somewhere there is a line and it shouldn't require much imagination to know that it can be crossed. The extreme example is banning folks from your repeater by race or other protected group. The FCC won't care as it doesn't violate their rules. You won't stand a chance in civil court though.
     
  5. W4EAE

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    You would have a heart attack if you came to South Carolina and listened to the amateur bands.

    Amateurs frequently work in support of foot races and bicycle races. During those events, they are absolutely helping to conduct operations for an organization that does not necessarily have any direct relationship to amateur radio.
     
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  6. KY5U

    KY5U Subscriber QRZ Page

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  7. KC3EPA

    KC3EPA Ham Member QRZ Page

    I need actual data showing preppers or any such group in any real numbers that get on others repeaters as a group to do business.
    In any case one may own a repeater not a frequency.

    Peppers use Baofeng repeater system that is not authorized and any authorization would be meaningless after a major event such as a nuclear blast.
    The FCC will be enforcing nothing.
    The repeaters will be inactive as they are on grid while peppers are on Battery.

    In fact the last thing a prepped wants is for his location to be determined by gangs of people and this will include fellow hams after a major event.

    Actually their communication on 11 meters and some nearby frequencies has the possibility of exceeding 2 meters in simplex and they do not limit their communication to one band.
    They believe in multi backup for communication and for food storage and are actually trained to defend.
     
  8. WG7X

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    True. No one can own a radio frequency, but and this is an important distinction, some operators are given priority over a frequency when it services a community of others. This has been discussed to death and the FCC has always sided with the repeater owners. Provided that they actually provide a service, operate lawfully, and do not discriminate against folks in certain protected categories.

    Don't believe it? Great go ahead and operate on simplex either on a repeater input or out put an see how far you get. Be sure to have either a lawyer on retainer or as a family member.
     
  9. KC3EPA

    KC3EPA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Why would anyone want to operate simplex on repeater frequency.
    If you do it on output chances are you will not be heard.
    I think someone originally made it sound like peppers wanted to use a repeater without being wanted or someone who wanted to view their religious views.
     
  10. W4NNF

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    As you've been told, it's legal.

    The solution is easy: put up your own 2-meter (properly coordinated and all) and dedicate it to discussion of NUDETs, EMP, and freeze-dried mashed potatoes. :)
     

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