QRZ User Behavior

I guess we should be clear about what we mean by "bashed." Criticism is fine, personal attacks are not.

 

I don't think it's an issue of not being ble to disagree, it is how you disagree. I noticed the part about respect being earned, if you want to earn somebody's respect, you have to show them you deserve their respect. By tempering your response, you have taken the 1st step to earning that.

 

KL7FZ is right "Sacred Cows Make The Best Hamburger"

I just LOVE eating CODE-BURGERS!

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WF7I @ Feb. 10 2004,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Once you realize the reply is from a nitwit, simply ignore it, and move on.  Or, don't post.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Interesting how the nitwits are usually disproportionately piled up on the side of the opposite (of yours) point of view.
There is a somewhat delicate balance to be achieved. No adrenaline/mental stimulation and you are BORING. After a certain threshold is passed however you then tend to push the loosely bound into the too much for them to handle mode.
(BTW I've been there myself a time or two). If its purity and disenchantment you seek tune into your local 2 meter repeater nets, otherwise be thankful for the fact that QRZ is interesting, and gets the glands working overtime on occasion, (while keeping it togeather and responsible of course).

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (n9dli @ Feb. 10 2004,11:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I disagree with the idea of stopping these postings - they just need to redirect them to other places with more important issues........[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
America right now is like a giant pyramid game. Think of a load of people that are on a dome of ice on a deep lake that has had all the water under it drained away. It might be some time before the ice finally breaks but when it does there's going to be the potential for a lot of heartache.

 

Fred, not only is this my first post on QRZ it's also the very first time EVER that I've even read any of the forums despite being a member for several years. I agree totally with your comments about civility and personal attacks and say 'well said'; HOWEVER, I found your post in an overall sense to be pedantic, patronizing, and biased towards anti-no-coders, OM. True, I come very late to the debate and have not been tested in the heat of what seems in retrospect to have been a heated imbroglio yet having said that, I feel that my opinion qualifies as one of an 'outsider', as it were. I support your right to do as you please with your site and speak your mind as a ham but my very first impression of your ( in print anyway) stance is one that I associate with many others who sell, publish, or edit ham magazines, publish test guides, sell radios, or have ad space for sale on a web site perhaps. I offer this opinion in the spirit in which you are trying to invoke..... non-disruptive appraisal and/or criticism. My initial opinion on reading your otherwise splendid post is that you have painted anti- no-coders with a very broad brush indeed, sir. After reading many of the fawning replies to your post I realize that this flies full in the face of the tide of laudable replies you are receiving but I feel compelled to stand up for the legions of anti-no-coders who DON'T scream, castigate, and lambast. I think perhaps your post has done them a disservice, sir.

Please feel free to disagree.

Thanks for the great site and forum, Fred.

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5nr @ Feb. 10 2004,20:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fred, not only is this my first post on QRZ it's also the very first time EVER that I've even read any of the forums despite being a member for several years. I agree totally with your comments about civility and personal attacks and say 'well said'; HOWEVER, I found your post in an overall sense to be pedantic, patronizing, and biased towards anti-no-coders, OM. True, I come very late to the debate and have not been tested in the heat of what seems in retrospect to have been a heated imbroglio yet having said that, I feel that my opinion qualifies as one of an 'outsider', as it were. I support your right to do as you please with your site and speak your mind as a ham but my very first impression of your ( in print anyway) stance is one that I associate with many others who sell, publish, or edit ham magazines, publish test guides, sell radios, or have ad space for sale on a web site perhaps. I offer this opinion in the spirit in which you are trying to invoke..... non-disruptive appraisal and/or criticism. My initial opinion on reading your otherwise splendid post is that you have painted anti- no-coders with a very broad brush indeed, sir. After reading many of the fawning replies to your post I realize that this flies full in the face of the tide of laudable replies you are receiving but I feel compelled to stand up for the legions of anti-no-coders who DON'T scream, castigate, and lambast. I think perhaps your post has done them a disservice, sir.

Please feel free to disagree.

Thanks for the great site and forum, Fred.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
huh?

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd5nr @ Feb. 10 2004,20:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I agree totally with your comments about civility and personal attacks and say 'well said'; HOWEVER, I found your post in an overall sense to be pedantic, patronizing, and biased towards anti-no-coders, OM.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I gather Fred's pedantic, patronizing, pro-anti-no-coder bias missed the mark but his commentary is otherwise "well said".  That is what you meant, right?


WA5KRP  

 

It is unfortunate that we have to revert back to why Amateur Radio is slowly but shurely evaporating in front of our eyes. Simply because of people who take personal trips down inappropriate roads.

Look everyone, Amateur Radio is not here to tick people off, scare people away, or run them off. It is a community of hobbists that are here to support HAM Radio and it's positive contributions to society.

The attitude that you can say or do whatever you want to on the air is an improper attitude and is the reason why the Citizen's Band has become such a black mark. I think it is time that those who have a difficult time in understanding what bands they can use the language on and which ones they can't to turn in their ticket, because it is definately obvious that they do not know what the FCC regs are.

Not to come down on anyone, you post here and the only thing I can think of is that you use the same talk and attitudes on the air. It is a shame that those apples cause a good thing to have the same black marks as other communication methods.

Just my 2 pennies.

 

Thanks for cleaning things up.  It has been getting a little uncivilized on some of the forums.  At least we don't talk that way on the air

 

Let’s give this pot a stir and look at it from a slightly different angle. While I fully appreciate the services of QRZ.com, I have often wondered what the draw was that caused everyone to come here. That draw is the info that is stored in the QRZ.com database. It includes the details of almost every licensed Ham on the planet. But is that a good thing? I know some folks who refer to this database as the radio burglars dream! In a way are we not captive to this database? Did any of us actually volunteer to be here or are we here out of necessity? While I fully understand that the information in the database is considered public knowledge, who among us requested to be in that database? And although I do not wish to have my information removed, would it be removed if I were to request it? As long as my address and map coordinates are listed here am I really a guest? Or a victim? Or a captive? If it was proven that a burglar used this database to commit his crimes, what would the liability be to QRZ.com? And as long as I am being held captive and being put at risk by the existence of this database, is it any wonder that I might be aggressive in my nature? Hmmm……..it is something to think about. But I doubt if there’s any interest in actually addressing the root of the problem. It seems apparent that the Band-Aid approach has pacified you.

 

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kb6ssn @ Feb. 10 2004,23:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Let’s give this pot a stir and look at it from a slightly different angle. While I fully appreciate the services of QRZ.com, I have often wondered what the draw was that caused everyone to come here. That draw is the info that is stored in the QRZ.com database. It includes the details of almost every licensed Ham on the planet. But is that a good thing? I know some folks who refer to this database as the radio burglars dream! In a way are we not captive to this database? Did any of us actually volunteer to be here or are we here out of necessity? While I fully understand that the information in the database is considered public knowledge, who among us requested to be in that database? And although I do not wish to have my information removed, would it be removed if I were to request it? As long as my address and map coordinates are listed here am I really a guest? Or a victim? Or a captive? If it was proven that a burglar used this database to commit his crimes, what would the liability be to QRZ.com? And as long as I am being held captive and being put at risk by the existence of this database, is it any wonder that I might be aggressive in my nature? Hmmm……..it is something to think about. But I doubt if there’s any interest in actually addressing the root of the problem. It seems apparent that the Band-Aid approach has pacified you.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
WHAA HA HA HA! Oh man! It takes me a lot to make me laugh. So it's like the proverbial, "If you trap a usually most non aggressive animal in a corner," it will turn into a vicious attacking machine? I love it!

 

I agree completely!! It's an unfortunate plague that hits every forum out there sooner or later. Any subject matter worth having a forum about is generally going to have some controversial issues that draw people to say things that are better left unsaid.

SPEAKING OF DUMBING DOWN; Any idiot can slam another about a point of view. A well written argument (for or against anything) by any reasonably educated person should be able to be made without the uses of such techniques

Generally speaking a better point is made if it is well written and shows some class, intelligence, and tact.

 

KB6SSN,
Tom (I used the database to look up your first name) Is it just QRZ.com you feel compelled to visit? I ask this only because the ARRL site as well as EHAM also have Call sign lookup DB's. Most probably the FCC website has some kind of lookup also. I guess we're now trapped in the ether, unable to free ourselves or our information. Held captive by mindless computers that will some day take over the world.....
Tom, Please understand that I am not making fun of you but am having a little bit of fun with the post. I sure hope it comes across that way. 73 and Tnx for the chuckle.
John - FISTS #8690

 

Not to worry. You're taking it exactly as it was intended. I was trying to add a little humour to the thread and it looks like I succeeded. At least to a certain degree. As with most humour there is an air of truth about it. And it was in the process of writing the farce above that it dawned on me what two of those truths might be. The first being that we are indeed captives of our information. And the second, appropriately, is that it's a good thing we have the Right to keep and bear arms. With our addresses and map coordinates listed giving criminals a road map to your expensive pile of radios, you're going to need those arms! But on the other hand, any excuse for a little target practice is worth it! LOL!