QRZ Criticized Over Refusal to List K1MAN

Nothing dirty about it. That is exactly what we should do - kinda like "cleaning up the airwaves".

 

Good deal!

When Hamsexy aligned itself with that other site, (I think you and I both are on the same sheet of music on which site) I backed off from posting there and don't really visit any more.

To know more about them (even now), I don't think any visits I do will be anytime soon.

Have a good one!


Chad

 

Well,
Actually that would be quite illegal.....especially now that you've publicized it....

That, in itself would be "...intentional interference..."

If you're gonna do something like that....DON't talk about it out in the open!.....it cannot be found out to be a planned incident.

You would want to avoid a replay of the recent incident involving the Boy Scouts on 3890khz.

 

I don't think that there is anything illegal about putting a schedule together on any frequency, whether there is an existing schedule from another group of individuals there, or not.  Actually, you most certainly organize the schedule off the air, like on this website, if you want.

It becomes illegal when you start to knowingly transmit OVER the existing schedule when you get on the air.  There is nothing illegal about setting up the schedule at all, no matter where and when it is planned to happen.  I guess there could be fact established that a given party was in a conspiracy to be annoying, or something...  But, I don't envision any laws being broken by setting up a schedule like this.  So you set up a schedule, what's to say you actually get on the air with it in the first place, anyway?  I don't think that there are laws pertaining to attempts to be contentious...

Remember, no one "owns" amateur radio frequency spectrum, not K1MAN, not the ARRL, not the SATURN net, nobody.  The FCC didn't sell it off to them.  It's public domain free for anybody (that is, any licensed amateur) to use whenever they want for any purposes encompassing the scope of amateur radio.

If a group of scheduled hams wants to get onto "their" frequency and some one is using it, while it would be nice and the "gentlemanly" thing to do for the parties already present to clear the frequency for the scheduled amateurs, they are by no means REQUIRED to get off of the frequency.  If anybody starts willfully and maliciously interfering with each other, that's illegal.  In short, if you're using the frequency first, it's yours until you are done.  If a scheduled event is going supposed to happen and you're there first, they can wait until you're done, in which case, you will certainly ruffle some feathers, but you are not REQUIRED to get off of the frequency by any means.  If you were, I would think that would imply that the FCC would have to start leasing spectrum in the amateur bands to scheduled users.  We know what would happen at that point...

As far as scheduling events on amateur frequencies goes and trying to cite people for malicious intent during the actual scheduling, that is, setting up the schedule, would that mean that anybody who wants to schedule an event would have to know whether there is already a scheduled event for every frequency at any time between any group of amateurs?  That would certainly require a lot of research just to set up a schedule.  And let's not even consider whether they would have to consider the propagation characteristics of the given frequency at the proposed time of the schedule.  Think of this...  Could someone in Zimbabwe who gets on 52.525MHz with his friend down the street every Tuesday at 14:00Z cite someone else in the United States, who wants to do the same thing with his neighbor, with malicious intent?  If there is no band opening, there certainly won't be a problem in this scenario.  If there is a band opening, while all parties involved should be interested in taking advantage of the current band conditions, who ever was there first has the frequency.  And now how do you figure that out...  I think K1MAN's problem is that he wants the frequency cleared everywhere in the world, regardless of the propagation of his signal (whether you hear it or not...) so he can get his "message" out to the widest audience.  

Also, if you want to "malicioulsy schedule" an event before one of those "useful" broadcasts, schedule your event one minute before the broadcast so you have the frequency...

73

PS: Anybody know the scoop on whether the FCC is really going to pull his license, or not?  Do you think having no license will stop him?  Let's hope so...

And, what's the deal with the "Boy Scout Incident"?

73!!!

 

I wish we could harness all this energy for some real develpomemnts in Ham Radio... It would be a whopper of an advancement by all the wasted energy I see here...


73 Jerry N9LYA

 

Aol has knocked off:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/K1MAN14275/myhomepage/business.html

Guess Baxter will be busy replacing those "nazis" with "nurds"

I thought it was spelled "nerd". But what do I know.


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I wish we could harness all this energy for some real develpomemnts in Ham Radio... It would be a whopper of an advancement by all the wasted energy I see here...

73 Jerry N9LYA
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Jerry, it is our time to waste, and beyond that I think getting a certain broadcaster off the air, WOULD BE an advancement for Ham Radio. A big one.

73, W6NJ

 

Hi W6NJ,


Yes it is..

Just thought all this energy wasted here, could serve a better purpose.... Will serve no purpose here...

This is not the place to effect a cure.

Good place to vent frustration... But thats about all that is accomplished... From what I have seen and heard.. K1MAN is really getting what he wants.... Attention and a heck of a lot of it... I bet more people now know of him and his website then ever before..

What wonderful free advertisement... Wow..

Based on what little I have read here on QRZ (Various posts) and heard on his broadcasts...

A: He has followers (Not sure how many, but some)
B: a Cry out to start a NEW amateur Radio Organization to replace the ARRL..
C: A lot of hams need a place to go ...

Answer is someone needs to start a NEW organization...

Obviously most people here feel neither the ARRL nor the AARA are the answer...

So walk the walk.. And just start one.. Nothing else done here will make diddly..

73 Jerry N9LYA

 

How do you know?  I didn't see any mention here of anyone wanting to start a new ARRL-type organization, that's what Baxter's been wanting to do, not us.  I think the people who've mentioned that the ARRL can't do anything about Baxter are merely stating the fact, not necessarily pronouncing the ARRL as ineffectual.  People getting together can get things done, and even getting together on a forum such as this can get people together.  This thread has spurred many hams to write or email AOL to get Baxter's page removed, and while it could be said that the nazi reference wouldn't exist had not this thread inspired Baxter to write it, but the removal of Baxter's website at AOL and hopefully mainservers too, would be a big hurt to Baxter's operation.  That's not getting anything done?  You're welcome to your opinion and your negativity.  You say nothing will come of this?  Maybe, maybe not, but nothing DEFINITELY comes from negativity, and yours is typical.  You criticise us criticising Baxter.  

 

I was in support of Fred, but now I see where he just removed about 15 posts I made on this subject. None had profanity, none violated his policies, he just removed them. BTW, K1MAN is not the only call not listed. Here is a list of calls not listed:
W6DEK

WA6RXZ

KD6GDB
KG6RIR

N7LEE

KF6UJN
N6SAP

KG6AGS

KF6AJM
KA3AJM

KC6RWI

KF6VVP
N6ATF

K8CPA

KB5URP
VE3HBD

N6AYJ

KK7JK
W4WZG

VE3XLS

W7COM

and myself and my yl, because I am going to request removal like the rest.

Ta Ta, see you on the real boards.

 

E-mail to AA7BQ, read it before he deletes it

I see you just removed 15 posts made by me on your K1MAN thread. You have just as many issues as Baxter. Why I supported you is beyond me. Remove my call W4AMP and my wife's call WA4SEX immediately from your database. I will be sure to tell others about your policy. And I am sure you will get requests from others to be removed as well. BTW, marketing your cd as a complete data base is false and a misrepresetation of your product.

--

 

Some people will not be missed. Remember there is only one compleat call sign data base, FCC. This service and web page has been around for along time and will be after you have gone.

W7TUX

 

As a person who spends most of his time on 6 meters and up, it appears that I've missed my share of aggravation by not hearing this seemingly obnoxious individuals' transmissions on HF. Childish behavior should not be withstood from any adult and I concur that the majorityof the Ham community (to include this forum) has been more than patient.
til we meet again. . . . . . .Tony D. kc4ybe dah-di-dah

 

Negativity.. Wow... After over 400 posts.. Enough on the subject is enough.... heck 90 some percent agree with Fred...

Just the facts man..!!
Sorry you feel that way.. I am not being totally negative..  I understand Freds question, I answered it about 200 messages ago.... Who is in favor of what he did is all he asked..... All the continued hate and discontent is just childs play.. Which I am sure only thrils baxter to death...

I hardly doubt the FCC pays any attention to QRZ.COM.. For its information on FCC rules violators.. Nor cares what anyone thinks of K1MAN... As they get their facts in a row they will act and act  based on their data...  Non of that data comes from here I assure you..


If you are a regular on QRZ and read various threads.. You will see what I am talking about.. As far as where did A B and C come from.

I am not condoning nor condeming, the actions of either K1MAN or WWW.QRZ.COM as I stated I am to in the dark of all the facts....

I tend to lean on the side of Fred due to being a long time customer... But nothing else...as I do not really know either person... But like I said tend to lean in Freds favor..

Just making a statement...

Based on observations...

Have a good day friend...

73 Jerry n9lya

 

I'm going to suggest something that goes a bit against the grain...First, I believe the owner of QRZ.COM has the right to list (or not list) anyone he wishes. I would defend this right to the utmost. However, in the interest of having the most complete database of licensed hams, I think the classy thing to do is this: List K1MAN's basic FCC info, but give him NO additional privileges or log-in permissions. If nothing else, this would assist people in identifying him as he plays his games on the air. Doing otherwise gives him special attention, which I suspect he enjoys.

 

W4AMP:

Its too bad that you chose to leave.  Fred (or one of his censors) did remove a post that I made.  Yes, it was terse, and the response was to an attack of me.

I protested, but again, the site operator can remove what he or she chooses.  Remember, its their site.

On batlabs.com, I was personally assaulted, since a poster didn't like my politics, and his language was obscene.  When I emailed two moderators to ask that the language be removed, not a response.  My next communication was to inform the moderators that I would consult with my counsel the following day, if the language remained.  The result:  I received a 30 day "suspension" which today still stands, even though its been more than 30 days.  The moderators want me to "beg forgiveness" in order to be allowed to post again.

The person who posted the language, was apparently a buddy, as he received no discipline for his offense.

So, its totally up to the board owners and clippers.  But,as many know, what is allowed to be posted and remain available publicly, can become a responsibility and culpability of the board operator(s).

If I were you, I would not have asked to be removed, only protest off line.  Since silencing oneself is to achieve what those who oppose you desire.  Plus, you might just have something to say that completely escaped everyone else and be something that could change the course of things important to amateur radio.


73,

Lee
W6EM

"Proud to be among the 'nurds'(sp?)"