Petiton started to void HOA Antenna Restrictions.

Myhouse myway nuff said nohoa

 

petiton

 

That's sort of the way it is.. It is, after all, a hobby. You make choices. I havent had a problem finding good schools and services outside
HOA's.. If I had to make a choice, however, and chose the HOA, I wouldnt ask the feds to intervene. It's just not right.[

Lee
NI7IQ
UOTE=W5TTW;2532905]“Look honey, I know this means you’ll have to drive an extra 20 miles to work and to the store, and that the schools aren’t very good, but if we move to Cow Patty Acres, I can put up a tower…..”[/QUOTE]

 

That's about the biggest load of male bovine excrement I've read in a long time. It's a well established fact that many states require HOA on all new developments and the number of states requiring HOA is expanding at an alarming rate. It's not hard to imagine a future where every parcel of desirable land in this country is encumbered with some form of HOA or CC&R's... If we don't take a stand now we may never be able to fix it.

Therefore if the government requires all new housing to have a HOA then you HAVE NO CHOICE and are in practice being arm twisted into buy into a HOA. Unless you're independently wealthy or consider the ghetto a choice. The fact is the alternatives are so bad that in practice most people who actually agree to HOA due so under duress.

I'm one of those people. I'm still living in a damn rental because I've spent more years then I care to count looking for an unencumbered home and so far my choices have been either to live in red neck hell or the ghetto which are pretty much one in the same as both are overwhelmed with druggies.

I can move out to the country suburbs where The drug of choice in right wing red neck hell is oxycodone, meth, Coors light, and cough syrup while in the poverty stricken ghetto it's crack and marijuana.. Either way I don't think I can build a fence tall enough to feel safe..

Unfortunately large developers snagged all the desirable properties and encumbered them with highly restrictive HOA years ago. I've pretty much given up the idea of being able to find a suitable unencumbered home and have pretty much accepted that if I want freedom I'm simply going to have to move back onto my boat and sail off to some other country or small island where it's citizens actually have some freedoms left that haven't been circumvented by Wall Street and Corporate America in the name of the all mighty profit AKA (property values).

 

A well established fact by who? I dont imagine the country as you do. You most certainly have a choice and they dont necessarily equate to what you
describe. There are many areas near your address where you can get into an "unencombered" home outside of HOA's.. I dont know
where you have been looking for all those years. Perhaps you need to consult the multiple listings.. You do have choices

 

I can't find any data to back that up. Which states "require an HOA on all new developments?"

My state (California) certainly doesn't. Which states do?

 

I always recommend that folks place into the sales contract a clause that the sale is contingent upon no restrictions on outside antennas (or what-ever the case may be) AND is contingent upon full disclosure of all Deed Restrictions and CC&Rs. I also have the seller agree to reimburse me for any attorney's fees that result from the failure of the seller disclosing that information. It is also important to specifically mention that this clause is meant to survive the closing.

This at least gets the seller's (and Real Estate Agent's) attention and provides some protection for the buyer who may not be aware of all the restrictions.

.............Bob

 

And that my friends is the epitome of disingenuous

California doesn't require them on a state level. Unfortunately there are several counties which do require HOA on all new housing developments. I do believe Arizona has the most counties that require HOA on new developments.

Yeah the key word here is desirable and reasonably priced. I can find lots of unencumbered crappy homes and McMansions. What I can't find is a reasonably priced desirable home. Sure if I was Bill Gates or some hedge fund manager I'm sure it wouldn't be much a problem. but I'm not..!! I'm part of the 99 percent who don't make a few million a year. This is complicated by the fact that I'm an amateur radio op which makes the "desirable" part even more difficult.

Most of the unencumbered homes are in older run down neighbourhoods where most if not all the homes are rentals. Yeah that's just lovely. Or the homes are 500 feet from rail road tracks freeways or worse yet half a block from noisy dusty major avenues and intersections where you can't even open a window without having your ear drums blasted with traffic noise and you have to dust 3 times a day to keep up with all the dust generated by all the traffic. I might have been able to tolerate that crap 20 years ago but I'm to damn old for that now. I want peace and quiet. I want to be able to open a window and still hear myself think.

Oh and then there's my real favourite. The homes that are a block or two from strip malls and supermarkets. Funny the real estate people think these things are very desirable, Yeah ..!! Unfortunately more often then not they're so damn RF noisy they peg your S meter on every band from DC to daylight.

Trying to find a home suitable for a decent ham radio station is difficult enough without being forced to limit yourself to older homes in crappy older neighbourhoods. Sure there are suitable places in older neighbourhood but good luck finding one because the owners of those home know better then to let go of them. It's always the crappy homes that are up for sale. Heck I gave up on buried utility's as a requirement within the first month of looking but I'll be damned if I'm buying a house with 75KV lines across the street a strip mall a block away and a sub station to power it between us

As it is I have a strip mall about 2 blocks away and when I point the 6 meter moxon in that direction the S meter pegs. Oh and forget about copying anything on VHF UHF side band coming from that direction. To make matters even worse there's a parking lot down the street with Sodium vapour lamps that are constantly having problems which cause's S9 interference on HF. Sure they fix them but it takes them months and several complaints before they do. During this time I'm completely unable to operate after dark as it makes HF completely unusable.

Yeah the key word here is desirable. I work hard for my money, If I'm going to spend my hard earned money on a home then it should fit my needs not someone else's idea of what my needs might be..!!

 

And removing antenna restrictions would certainly help out for you, wouldnt it?

 

This is EXACTLY the attitude, referred to in one of my earlier posts, that I object to. The idea that "older" homes = slums is simply not true and reflects an obvious "snob" mentality that led to the concept of HOA's to begin with. I would have you to know that I live in a neat, quiet neighborhood on a dead-end street with NO HOA encumberances whatsoever AND almost ZERO crime. There hasn't been a break-in in this neigthborhood in YEARS! Now my home is not a "mansion" as such (I chose NOT to live in an exclusive neighborhood, gated, up on a mountain). The home is SOLID. It has a garage with auto door and two carports underneath a 24 X 20 elevated deck. A concrete drive. A full basement with fireplace upstairs and wood insert down. It can rain cats and dogs and it will NOT leak (I saw to that), and the non-leak feature is guaranteed for the life of the structure. Should I have a leak, all I must do is call B-Dry Systems, the company that installed the system, and it is FREE! I have a workshop in the garage--a complete woodworking shop, radio room downstairs. There is a dipole for 160-thru 10, a Cushcraft vertical for 80-10, a TV antenna, 10 Meter vertical, and a 6 meter dipole. I don't have ask anybody if I can put an antenna. There are NO CC & R restrictions and I will not accept any! This is MY property. ya unner'stand? I decide what I will do thereon, SEE? An' if somebody don' LIKE that, they can KMA!!!!!!!. An' I'll work on my antique Jeep in my back yard (or front yard) if I want to!!!

In THIS town (NC, Gaston County) there ARE some HOA [properties and CC & R governed developments. But there are also THOUSANDS of very nice, spacious homes that are clean, have beautiful hardwood floors. They have huge rooms with vaulted ceilings, and, yes.......some of them were built in the 1960's and before. Modern kitchens and neatly landscaped lawns. The city publishes the "Yard of the Week" in the local paper and people compete to have the nicest yard. It doesn't TAKE an HOA to enforce some stupid regulation. It is NOT necessary to have some snotty little snoot with their noses high in the air to have a nice neighborhood, and, an older home doesn't mean a crime-ridden, slum with adjacent run-down properties. I wouldn't trade my neighborhood FOR TWO of the cookie-cutter slapboards and attached townhouses they're building these days! I dont WANT to be right next door to somebody like Siamese twins, attached at the head!

Every place and every county and state is NOT like that!

J

 

This is all interesting.... If you belong to a HOA/POA community you can run for office, and as an officer you can make change. OOPS, I suspect that many of you finding fault with HOA/POA's realize that CC&R changes require a majority vote to approve such changes. I believe that many of you also realize that your neighbors and best friends in the community would most likely vote your change (AKA Beam & tower) down. So, rather than give the democratic process a chance as well as taking a chance at being shot down by those around you, many of you elect to chose those "free" communities that offer considerably less than HOA/POA's.

Your choice, but don't legitimate it by taking shots at other people's communities and forms of governance.

 

My post above was intended to point out that there ARE nice communities, upscale communities on shady, oak-lined streets with beautiful homes and great neighbors that do not HAVE such encumbrances. It is NOT like that everywhere! They were building houses WAAAAAAAAAY before HOA's became popular, and what did they do with them? Tear them all down because they didn't have a HOA? Nonsense! The lack of an HOA does not automatically equate to a less desirable house, a dirty, crime-ridden development and low class neighbors! It's just not so! The WEALTHIEST neighborhoods around here do NOT have HOA's!

J

 

Mob rule or (to use a less value laden term - majority vote) does not, by itself, constitute a "democratic process." You're right that we can't count on a majority of HOA members to make "reasonable accomodations" for amateur antennas. There's very little chance of that happening. Hence, a petition appealing to the FCC (but actually to Congress) to overturn antenna restrictions imposed by developers and HOAs much like appeals are made to the U.S. Supreme court to overturn legislation on the basis on not being constitutional. (We're not claiming HOA prohibitions are unconstituional although many who object to them characterize them as such.) The Supreme Court does not make it's determinations on the basis of either the mob rule or majority vote of voters or legislators. It does use "mob rule" by it's own very small number of highly qualified members to reach it's determination. It's members, unlike voters or legislators, are presumably extremely well qualified to make such determinations. At least that's the way things are supposed to work. For example, "Obamacare," regardless of what you personally think of it, is perfectly legal and is for the time being the law, but whether or not it remains so is up to the U.S. Supreme Court which is presently debating the issue.

HOAs and developers presently prohibit (for the most part) all amateur antennas. It's right in the contract that purchasers who buy into HOAs sign. One issue of how much 'free choice" purchasers may have had when signing is debateable...but they did sign. Another issue is whether or not HOAs and developers have any legal basis for regulating matters presumably under the control of the FCC - even though the FCC has elected not to get involved when it comes to amateur antennas. In other words, even though it's in the contract, is it really enforceable? There are actually HOAs that prohibit the use of any device that radiates rf energy. This would include portable phones, cell phones, baby monitors, wi-fi, garage door openers, microwave ovens and a host of other common household appliances. Naturally they are highly selective about when to enforce or not enforce such ridiculous prohibitions. Many probably fail to even realize how stupid and unenforceable such a prohibition may be.

I think it's wonderful that some amateurs can get 5 or 10 acres out in the country where there are no antenna prohibitions and I certainly can't blame them for doing so. However, I have trouble understanding how a small but highly vocal percentage of them seem to think everyone has similar opportunities and that when they "elect" to live in an HOA they are really exercising much in the way of "choice." In the past this would be called the "Marie Antoinette" argument (i.e. "Let them eat cake."). Today, I suppose we would call such an argument "clueless." The proponents of the clueless Marie Antoinette argument claim that those of us living in HOAs want to have our cake and eat it too. I suppose they're right - to a limited extent. Maybe just a little piece of cake - along the lines of simple wire or vertical antennas no higher than 30-35 feet. Is that unreasonable?

 

Your "mob rule" somebody else's democratic process.. It depends on what side of the fence you find yourself. The evil HOA members are probably as unreasonable
as you make them out to be.. by your definition. You areeminentlyy more qualified than the other HOA members as to what is reasonable, arent you? I'm fairly certain
that you could have found a few acres in your area but your wife chose your encumbered HOA governed community.. It's not because nothing else was available
as you make it sound.. It's because there was nothing else you wanted. Those that dont hold the same position as you are "clueless".. I see.. You are the
single voice of reason here.. All others are clueless.. In my dictionary, next arroganceance" is a picture of you..

NI7I

 

You must be using a different dictionary. I can't find that word in mine.