Number of radio amateurs in France

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by G4TUT, May 29, 2019.

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  1. GW0PZZ

    GW0PZZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    We here in the UK have been license free for quite some time and to be honest the amount of interference the average British Ham suffers is awful. You can have thousands of pounds worth of equipment rendered useless by a three pound phone charger or laptop adapter or some other SMPU bought from a well known online auction site and, the regulators do nothing as they carry a CE mark and as such are deemed compliant. And where is all this junk made the PRC nothing will change until they are forced to comply with the relevant safety standards, I won't be holding my breath, Licence free is not the way to go as we then classified as hobbiestsoon there for not worthy of redress or protection.
  2. SV1RUX

    SV1RUX XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Here in Greece a licence has to be renewed every 10 years and costs 26 Euros.
  3. AE5GT

    AE5GT Ham Member QRZ Page

    I think your analysis is flawed.

    Its usually the opposite , discontinuing fees results in an increase of funds and or manpower available to deploy in other areas , so enforcement may actually get better.

    The cost of collecting and administrating the fees usually exceeds the revenue generated from the fee / tax . Its why we dont have to pay for renewals in the U.S. , The FCC was actually losing money on the fees.
    F1RAF and AC0GT like this.
  4. VK3YE

    VK3YE Ham Member QRZ Page

    The thing that amazes me about France is their very low number of amateurs per capita.

    Neighbouring UK and Germany have about 3 or 4 times the number of amateurs with roughly similar populations.

    Australia has a similar number but with a much smaller population (and we pay licence fees). Canada has many more hams than France despite half the population.

    What makes the French so uninterested in amateur radio compared to almost anywhere else?
  5. SM0AOM

    SM0AOM Ham Member QRZ Page

    Actually my analysis comes straight
    "from the Horse's Mouth".

    When amateur radio became deregulated and the fee abolished almost 20 years ago it was on the specific motivation that the regulator should be relieved of the following:
    • Administration of exams

    • Administration of callsigns

    • Resolution of interference cases;
      both RFI and between amateurs

    • Enforcement of band intruders

    • Enforcement of on-air behaviour,
      it is instead referred to the local police

    • Any legal obligation to act in
      amateur radio related matters,
      previously radio amateurs could state
      that they have legal rights due to their
      payment of fees
    A clause in the Law of Electronic Communications was used to make this possible, which states that radio usage that is local in nature, uses low power and type-accepted equipment and cannot expect resolution of interference cases can be be exempt from formal licencing.

    It was a very "close shave" for amateur radio to keep the exam requirement, the lawyers had openly questioned the legality of requiring an exam, but had to budge when it was pointed out that competence requirements were relevant to avoid "harmful interference".

    The argument that the ITU Radio Regulations contains an exam requirement was considered null and void, as the ITU-RR lacks legal standing here.

    It is worth repeating, "You get what you pay for" and "There is no such thing as a free lunch"

  6. SM0AOM

    SM0AOM Ham Member QRZ Page

    If memory serves my right, the exam requirements have been quite stiff, and the bureaucratic process of getting a licence slow.

    Also, it appears that amateur radio was not supported by the French Authorities in the way it was in other European countries.

  7. F5ILS

    F5ILS Ham Member QRZ Page

    Is it a sign of denigration even more pronounced for the future concerning our hobby or where the movement of the yellow vests is there for something , so probably politicals effects for the minister
  8. F4HZS

    F4HZS Ham Member QRZ Page

  9. AE5GT

    AE5GT Ham Member QRZ Page

    whats that got to do with tax and fees ? We dont have any renewal fees but we still have regulations ,exams , and ect. the only legal right you get from paying fees and taxes is the right to pay more fees and taxes. Amateur Radio exist not because we pay fees and taxes but because it fufills a need and or purpose. If there is no need or purpose for us to exist , the FCC will take our spectrum away , as it has done in the past , payment of fees is irrelevant.
  10. SM0AOM

    SM0AOM Ham Member QRZ Page

    Here we see the differences between countries that still operate a regulated telecom market, as opposed to those that have deregulated.

    The US is still one of the most regulated telecom markets in the world, which gives amateur radio a measure of protection, as the actual market value of radio spectrum is not assessed directly.

    In deregulated markets, every spectrum user becomes weighted according to their perceived value to society and their economic contributions.
    Every spectrum user has to "earn its keep" in one way or another.

    When detailed regulations were the norm, it was possible at any time to point at the ITU Radio Regulations where amateur radio has its own definition, and no further questions were asked. Our spectrum access privileges were taken for granted.

    In the deregulated world, if a user is deemed important enough to pay for its spectrum access, there is some amount of legal protection, as payment implies that some form of contractual relation or legal standing exists.

    When deregulation finally makes its breakthrough at the FCC, I would predict the following to happen concerning amateur radio:
    • The examination and licencing processes will
      become entirely disconnected from the FCC
    • Issuing of licences and callsigns will be taken over by the ARRL (or some other private entity)
    • The callsign database function will also be taken over
    • A single licence class with lifetime licences
    • There will be fees for issuing a callsign and for vanity or special callsigns
    • No more support from the US Government at global and regional spectrum management events.
      The ARRL and IARU are sector members of the ITU, but lack voting rights
    • Possibly reduced VHF/UHF bands
    • No enforcement, except privately funded and organised
    "Your mileage may vary"


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