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M 7.7 - 125km NNW of Lucea, Jamaica; Jan. 28 19:10 UTC

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by VE7DXW, Jan 28, 2020.

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  1. VE7DXW

    VE7DXW Ham Member QRZ Page

    M 7.7 - 125km NNW of Lucea, Jamaica


    The RF-Seismograph has picked up the strong earth quake 125 km NNW of Lucea . The quake was reported by USGS at Jamaica 2020-01-28 19:10 UTC. It created a strong attenuation of the shortwave radio bands, especially on 40 m, in advance of the quake. In North America the popular 40 m net on 7.2835 MHz was severely disrupted again. The RF-Seismograph recorded the eminent quake more than 3 h earlier at 16:30 UTC! With another M6.5 aftershock at Cayman Island the bands are poor!

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    All the best and hopefully everyone is save!

    Alex - VE7DXW
     
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  2. NL7W

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    Really? Was it a coincidence or some semblance of a direct correlation? Have others studied this?
     
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  3. N3HGB

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  4. AG6QR

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    It sounds like you're saying you had this potentially lifesaving information well in advance of the quake and yet you withheld it and told no one until after the quake.

    Why?
     
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  5. N0DZQ

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    And to whom would he send the information? If you cannot pin down a location neither the USGS or governments of the world would issue alerts.

    Interesting phenomenon though.
     
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  6. MW1CFN

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    As always, lots of claims, no objective analysis.

    Tell me, why isn't it picking up quakes your newsfeed doesn't tell you about? Iceland's had a few M3+ ones recently, Solomon islands an even better one today (M6.0). Shedloads of M5 and below all over the plate margins. Turkey M6.7 on 24/1/20. And how do you distinguish between them all?

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  7. KX4O

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    Okay I'll play a little bit. During the March 2015 Virginia QSO Party those of us in Northern Virginia noticed 40m close down rather briskly in the late afternoon (times are EDT)...
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    ...while the QSOs continued aplenty for other participants...
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    A search for any quakes of 2.5 or better found five, one in OK at 15:32 EDT.

    Cue the Twilight Zone music.

    Of course one data point does not a hypothesis prove or disprove, but thought you all might find this interesting nonetheless.
     
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  8. VE7DXW

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    If you hava a far UV camera on the ISS one could see the field lines through the ion recombining action of the ozon. A.
     
  9. KA4TMT

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    I am not a scientist but there are 20,000 to 30,000 measured earthquakes per year! so exactly when do the RF bands recover? between 1,500 to 2,500 are above 5 magnitude? Lets see show me your card then i will guess what your card is! That does not prove you are psychic, just like seeing a spike on the band then quickly looking at the USGS earthquake map and finding an earthquake to match it to, even if it started hours before or hours afterward its a match???? but wait there have been 15 magnitude 6.0 or stronger earthquakes in the past 3 weeks!!! so where are all the disruptions!!
     
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  10. KA4TMT

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    Another unprovable statement to prove the point, anyone seen a picture of earths field lines?? Even NASA has diagrams to demonstrate but not pictures. But real time pictures?? with a far UV camera?? Lets see they needed a 30 METER radio telescope to get a picture of what they believe to be a field line coming from the center of our galaxy!! Notice the statement if you have a camera not a camera was used on the ISS since that would imply actual data that would have to be shown. Here is an actual fact, 3 satellites were placed over earthquake zones to measure total electron count TEC to see if there was an energy release into the atmosphere associated with an earthquake. Scientists decided that it was not related, Large earthquake and no rise in TEC, large rise in TEC no earthquake. Again a rise in TEC means better propagation because there is an increase in electrons in the Ionosphere so with the 300 plus days we just spent in the bottom of the solar cycle earthquakes causing TEC increases would have been much easier to spot after all there are inosondes placed around the world measuring it.
     
  11. KA4TMT

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    In the past 7 days there have been 598 earthquakes worldwide measured above 2.5 magnitude. 113 of those were above 4.5 magnitude. So your going to tie a single disruption to one quake? There were 5 earthquakes worldwide that happened 3 hours before the Jamaica quake all larger than 4.5 magnitude but it was the Jamaica quake you picked up? how do you tie that one disruption to that one quake even though the disruption started 3 hours earlier? Been a lot of 6.0 earthquakes the past 3 weeks why no report on all of those on the RF seismograph. If you make a claim then provide proof plain and simple.
     
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  12. VE7DXW

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    Three things occur with propagation and earthquakes M4.9 and up:

    1.) Nothing; that is the case in 30 % of the quakes there will be no difference. This is because the ionosphere shifts in a way that does not affect the path you using.

    2.) the signal will improve

    3.) the signal will fade.



    With quakes below 6 it is so subtle that nobody notices it, but if you have an RF-Seismograph the changes will be obvious, with some practice.



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  13. VE7DXW

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    It is very rare that quakes below M4.5 have any effect and only 70 % of the quakes are visible. Smaller quakes do not have energy to change the ionosphere in a way that is measurable, but clusters of small quakes can have a summing effect. Quakes above M5.1 usually do have some sort of precursor. A.
     
  14. N3HGB

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    If the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists it will get warmer, get cooler, or stay the same.
     
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  15. AK5B

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    Uh, oh. Looks like Arthur Unwin has come back to life solely to haunt us in perpetuity on the "Zed...


    (although I must add that the original Art knew how to spell properly)
     

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