Low power out

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio Amplifiers' started by N0YPD, Aug 24, 2019.

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  1. N0YPD

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    I am running an Ameritron Al-811 amp, and when I first bought the amp 3 or 4 years ago it would put out 600 watts no problem,but lately the most I can get out is around 400 watts.
    Tubes get weak or what else?
    Mike,N0YPD
     
  2. W1QJ

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    Yup tubes get weak
     
  3. K9STH

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    And running the 3-tube AL-811 at 600-watts output is a sure way to get the 811A tubes weak!

    The 3-tube AL-811 should be run at about 450-watts output and the 4-tube AL-811H should be run at about 600-watts output for best tube life. The station, on the "other" end, won't know the difference but the tubes sure will be able to tell that they are being pushed harder. Also, your electric company is going to be much happier with the higher power output (more income to them).

    Glen, K9STH
     
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  4. KF5LJW

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    Yep the tubes get weak especially when abused.
     
  5. N7WR

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    I've had several different amps over the years that have 3 811's. Never run any of them over 450 watts and the tubes have lasted a long time.
     
  6. WB2WIK

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    Just to chime in "one more time," yep, tubes got weak.:)

    What kills 811As isn't peak power, it's carrier power, like when "tuning up."

    If you get four new tubes, make sure you limit "tuning" time to about 5 seconds or so, and they can last a long time.

    Otherwise, you can replace the 811As with 572Bs (no other amplifier changes required) and they can handle long tuning times.
     
  7. N0YPD

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    Thanks for the help all of you. I think I will be going with 572Bs as a replacement.
     
  8. N0YPD

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    Thanks for the help all of you. I think I will be going with 572Bs as a replacement.
     
  9. KQ0J

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    Even with new tubes, I only got 600W out on 80M , close to that on 160M , 450W on 20M and down until 200-250W on 10M ( with the smell of a component getting hot ) . The
    cure for the 10M issue was a new parasitic board or you can look up the change to the size of the coils on the board. As was said - go really easy on tuning up and run it lightly.

    I did go with 572b's for my 811H. An improvment in power out and less stress on me when tuning. I still run it easy though - 200 -400W.
     
  10. N8FVJ

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    Buy the 572B and never look back. Amp easily makes 800 watts PEP out with 65 watts drive using the 572B tubes.
     

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