LOTW- Renew or not

Discussion in 'Ham Radio Discussions' started by W4IOA, Jan 10, 2019.

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  1. VA3VF

    VA3VF Ham Member QRZ Page

    You forgot about the "Verified by VK4HAT" stamp.:D:D:D
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  2. VA3VF

    VA3VF Ham Member QRZ Page

    I'm itching to ask the name of the manager in question. There is one guy that seems to have disappeared. I hope it's not him.
  3. W3WN

    W3WN Ham Member QRZ Page

    Itching? Don’t worry, they now sell a cream for that.
  4. W3WN

    W3WN Ham Member QRZ Page

    Nice edit job after the fact.

    Proves nothing.

    Technically, for the card to be considered “legit”, there has to be something else. A signature, a QSL manager’s stamp... something. In general, that little factor is overlooked for the run of the mill stuff... like your cards and mine.

    But if I submit a “card” from you that says, for example, I worked you on 160 around noon local time... especially if all I did was, for example, move a decimal point to make 18.070 to 1.8070... you’d better believe someone is going to look at it, as that raises a big red flag. Lack of a signature or other “non printed authorization” mark would raise a second big red flag.

    What, you say? An electronic confirmation would be accepted by the system? Maybe, but we aren’t talking about that, we’re talking about a digital file (electronic or printed) that a human being would be looking at.

    Oh, and I do believe there are cases of people modifying 17 meter cards for 160. That is one of the reasons why 160 cards could not be field checked for many years, thanks to a few stunts like that. (Fortunately for the bulk of us, that is no longer the case)

    Incidentally, the lack of acceptance of a card sent electronically from you that I would print long predates Logbook of the World. It goes back at least to the 1960’s and the days of the first rudimentary analog SSTV and Facsimilie experiments and transmissions. You can look it up.
  5. VK4HAT

    VK4HAT XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Do you see any signature, stamp or something else on the pictures below? These came from W1AW event stations. Are they fake and do not count towards WAS or DXCC because the ARRL did not sign them or stamp them or wave the magic pixie dust over them at the US Postal Service? Not hard to scan those and change the call sign to anything and have them printed in the same manner. Faking things is easy if someone wanted to, even ARRL cards.

    In the end what we need is 1 system that is universal. I do not care if that system in the bureau, LOTW, EQSL, Clublog or even QRZ. The problem is ALL of these systems have barriers that limit their uptake and if we must persist with direct cards at least get with the times and make direct email.

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  6. W3WN

    W3WN Ham Member QRZ Page

    And I reiterate...

    You won’t get acceptance of “direct QSLs” until there is a way of making the files sent to be unable to be edited.

    But you’ll just continue to ignore that, won’t you?
  7. W7UUU

    W7UUU QRZ Lifetime Member #133 Administrator Volunteer Moderator Platinum Subscriber Life Member QRZ Page

    Very cool - learned something new. I never really knew the reason for the 17m card checking thing - makes perfect sense.

    Kinda kooky when you think about it - how something so esoteric and, in the "grand scheme of things" so irrelevant to life as ham radio confirmations, can be prone to "cheating" that way. Pretty sad, right? It's just a HOBBY yet there are in fact folks out there willing to cheat just to get a piece of paper to fool themselves into thinking they did something they didn't actually do! Nuts, right? :)

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  8. VA3VF

    VA3VF Ham Member QRZ Page

    It's not the 17M card checking, but the claimed 160M that was really a 17M one. That's an old 'trick', but sometimes the QSO time does not help. A 160M contact with Japan, at 12 noon eastern time, is hard to believe.

    Don't think like a normal person, think like a loser, and all becomes clear.:D
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  9. VK4HAT

    VK4HAT XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    And as i have demonstrated a number of different ways a printed card can easily be faked, so what is the difference. I mean give me access to some cards to scan and in an hour I can have DXCC 100. Take this down to the Quicky Print and print on glossy stock and no one would know the difference.

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  10. VK4HAT

    VK4HAT XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    The same goes for using more than legal power. In VK is there any reason to own a 4Kw amp when the legal limit is 400w? But plenty do and the only reason is because getting caught using more than legal power is just about impossible. But hey, they got their DXCC 100 on 80m 2 times faster than the guy who did it legitimately, so they did not need to buy viagra that week.

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