Loss of two meter simplex frequencies IMMINENT in Texas!

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  1. WX5VHF

    WX5VHF Ham Member QRZ Page

    Loss of two meter simplex frequencies EMINENT in Texas!


    Texas two meter simplex users stand to lose a large portion of available frequencies if proposed changes to the two meter band plan are passed by the Texas VHF-FM Society.

    In an effort to make room for D-Star repeater pairs, the Society has proposed a revised band plan that will take spectrum from two meter simplex users statewide.
    Below is the band plan being proposed by the Texas VHF-FM Society:
    146.450 - 146.490 MHz, High in/low out, 1 MHz offset, 12.5 kHz channel spacing or less, any
    digital voice/data air interface technology suitable for the Amateur Radio Service that is compatible with the channel spacing. No analog transmission permitted.
    145.520 Analog
    145.540 Analog
    145.560 Analog
    145.580 Analog
    145.600 Analog
    145.620 Analog
    145.640 Analog
    145.660 Analog
    145.680 Analog
    145.700 Analog
    145.720 Analog
    145.740 Analog
    145.760 Analog
    145.780 Analog
    146.420 Analog
    146.440 Analog
    146.450 Digital }
    146.460 Digital }
    146.470 Digital }--------------- Simplex allocations that will be lost due to proposed restructuring.
    146.480 Digital }
    146.490 Digital }
    146.560 Analog
    146.580 Analog
    147.400 Analog
    147.420 Analog
    147.440 Analog
    147.450 Digital }
    147.460 Digital }
    147.470 Digital }-------------- Simplex allocations that will be lost due to proposed restructuring.
    147.480 Digital }
    147.490 Digital }
    147.560 Analog
    147.580 Analog


    This proposal was placed on the table at the March 1, 2008 General Meeting of the Texas VHF-FM Society and has yet to be voted on, possibly due to opposition from avid simplex users.

    Contrary to public opinion, two meter simplex frequencies are regularly, and in some cases heavily used throughout the state.

    A well-established group of simplex operators in north and east Texas have used the frequency of 147.420 on a daily basis since the mid 1970’s. While that frequency is not in immediate danger of being reallocated, other well used frequencies are!

    A group of simplex operators around the Cedar Creek Lake area in eastern Texas that regularly use the frequency of 146.475 stands to lose that piece of spectrum.

    146.500 is another frequency currently being used on a regular basis by hams from Dallas all the way down into the Waco area that is on the chopping block.

    I’m sure there are many more frequencies all across the state that are in use that we do not know about! If anyone knows of other simplex frequencies in use in the state of Texas please feel free to e-mail me at WX5VHF@gmail.com

    In an effort to display the utilization of these simplex frequencies I am asking for all Texas two meter simplex operators to attend and cast a vote at the Texas VHF-FM Society’s Summer Meeting that will take place at Austin Summerfest 2011. The meeting will be held Saturday, August 6th at 1:00PM in the Pecan Room of the Austin Marriott Airport South at 4415 South Interstate 35 in Austin.
    In order to vote at this meeting you MUST be a member of the Society! To become a member you must download the form from the link below and send it back with $15.00. (I guess it’s sort of like a poll tax?)

    www.txvhffm.com/images/Forms/membership application.pdf

    I believe I speak for most all avid simplex operators when I say, I am in no way anti D-Star. New technology and operating modes are the life blood of amateur radio. What I am against is reallocation of simplex spectrum as repeater pairs! D-star or analog, a repeater is a repeater and should be placed on frequencies that are already allocated for that purpose. If all of the repeater pairs are in use then get on the waiting list; just as analog repeater owners do. What is the rush?

    Hams always say “Use it, or lose it” when it comes to radio spectrum. Well, this time it’s being used and we still may lose it!

    Aaron Scott
    WX5VHF
     
  2. K5AHH

    K5AHH Ham Member QRZ Page

    --Wow, I didn't know there were that many people in TX using D-Star. I guess I will have to look up a site that lists all those D-Star repeaters there.
     
  3. AA8GK

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  4. AG7LB

    AG7LB Ham Member QRZ Page

    How many times have we seen D-star stuff for sale on qrz and other sites? If present analog repeater owners do not want to buy D star equipment that's up to them. Seems not many analog owners don't want to convert to D-star and that is up to them. Now the D-star junkies want the simplex frequencies to convert them to D-star. What next, the 220 and 440 also?
     
  5. K6BIG

    K6BIG Ham Member QRZ Page


    Now there is a sure fire way to limit your opposition if you are pro allocation on this one...

    ... just make your opposition pay 15.00 per head to your cause which is the one
    trying to take freqs away... then they can vote NAY....
    Somethin smellin' might fishy in TEXAS..... Ya'll gonna stand for that?

    How many of the already allocated pairs are NOT IN USE or BARELY IN USE?

    Bryan
    K6BIG

    PS Imminent Danger
     
  6. KJ6EZQ

    KJ6EZQ Ham Member QRZ Page

    If D-STAR is more popular in Texas than simplex Analog, why not let them use it. Anyway, I was under the impression that band plans were really only a guideline of suggestions. If you still wanted to use those frequencies as simplex, you could. But if you say that would cause a fight, I won't disagree.
     
  7. KD4E

    KD4E Ham Member QRZ Page

    I had always heard, read, and been assured that D-Star would share existing repeater spectrum.

    Since when is analog repeater use so dense that it precludes the addition of D-Star repeaters in the existing repeater segment? (Either replacing decommissioned analog repeaters, using repeater pairs that have been hoarded for years but which remain unused - a form of Ham eminent-domain taking, or slipping in-between existing repeater pairs.)

    Is this proposal technologically-defensible, as necessary and unavoidable, or just a spectrum-grab by a tiny minority in the hobby?

    It may be that this is necessary and unavoidable to support a large number of active D-Star repeaters and users - if so then simplex users may need to adapt to less spectrum - but it's very likely that there is a middle ground between no change and such a large change.

    These are questions that need to be asked and answered for every proposed change to spectrum use - not only this one.

    The interest of Hams outside of Texas is that this could represent a precedent which may create conflict in the hobby across the nation, unless the facts and rationale are communicated well.

    IMHO, YMMV ...
     
  8. K6CPO

    K6CPO Ham Member QRZ Page

    Anytime something like this happens, especially when there is only a single manufacturer of hardware involved, I can't help wondering if that manufacturer isn't involved somehow...
     
  9. W5WPL

    W5WPL Ham Member QRZ Page

    I was a member of that society for a short time.
    The organization was not run by adult acting people.
     
  10. K5REZ

    K5REZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I agree - it's curious and frankly, not everyone wants to own an Icom product.
     
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