Don't want to ruin the other thread so to run with another poster's comment about disliking the term 'elmer', i wonder if we can come up with a 21st century term for Elmer... I sat in on an ARRL presentation on Attracting and Retaining ham radio operators from the newer generations. It was all about how WE need to be better elmers... blech. I too dislike that term. I can't imagine calling someone an elmer or being called an elmer I guarantee that NO millenial or younger person wants an 'elmer'. They may want a mentor but certainly not an 'elmer' Here's some other 19th/20th century names we should avoid: Cecil. Chester. Claude. Floyd Abe Perhaps we could just retire the term 'elmer' and simply say "mentor'