So. There is a plethora of great information on this board about learning CW. And a lot of it is in conflict with each other until one realizes that learning CW is much like learning anything else; I've got to find what will work for me. When I was a boy, I rebelled from my father's instruction and learned the code visually. I could send like gang-busters but could not receive. A lot of that memorization was aided by counting the dits and dahs (dit 1 dit 2 dit 3 dit 4 - visualize 4 dits - H! --- wait, what three letters were just sent???). Discouraged, I quit trying. A few years ago, before the CW requirement was dropped, I purchased Code Quick - the memes for learning the Code seemed clever. Didn't get too far with that though after I read about a lot of hams using it to pass the CW requirement but being unable to break through 10-15wpm (because the translation from the meme to an actual letter took too long). Discouraged, I quit trying. Now, CW is something I want to learn and I'm flummoxed. I've had more false-starts than these two which will undoubtedly hinder my progress; the very bad habits are getting in my way. Ever try not counting the dits and dahs after that wire was laid in your head? Or not hearing the 'mo-wah-wah' meme? Most of the code-training materials I come across involve learning the letters, numbers, and prosigns one at a time but here lately, there has been a real effort to push learning CW as words, akin to the way we learned to speak before we learned to spell. Where would I find training materials like this? Another method I've recently read instructs one to immerse themselves in the Code, listening to the ARRL bulletins and practice broadcasts as well as actual QSOs. Whereas immersion seems to work exceptionally well for a spoken language, how can I learn the Code if I don't really know what the symbols sound like? In listening for a couple hours last night I think I figured out the sound of a period. Two hours for one symbol. Did I mention I was slow? I guess this is more of a really big sigh shared with folk who might understand the frustration of doing everything I'm not supposed to do and am now caught having to break through those bad habits so I can learn properly. Where do I start?