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Discussion in 'Stolen Radios, Scams and Rip-Offs' started by KE4HGB, Aug 29, 2011.

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  1. AD6KA

    AD6KA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Hi Robert:

    I'm really sorry to hear that this happened to you.

    You are NOT a "sucker" you were a victim of a crime!
    So probably best to forget that line of thinking and get your game on.
    Time to make a commitment to fight back.

    Were I in your shoes I would take this to law enforcement instead
    of trying to chase him down on the Internet:

    1) First file a fraud complaint with your local police there in Myrtle Beach.
    This is best done in person.
    Print out and bring in ALL of your emails with him,(WITH the complete Email header!)
    so they can see that you had an agreement for a sale, which he did not honor = fraud.
    You might also print out those Internet posts you spoke of where other folks have complained
    that he scammed them as well.
    Important: Get a copy of the police report after it is completed. This may take a couple
    of days or a week. Every PD has a different procedure.

    2) Next file a complaint with the local police for the jurisdiction he said
    he was in when the scam occurred. Include the report from your local police.
    (Gettng that police complaint/report from YOUR home town is the first thing the
    police in the scammers area will ask or tell you to do anyway). I know you said
    he has moved from that specific address, but let the police handle that.

    3) Go back to those old posts and rip off complaints and write those people.
    If their email addresses no longer work or aren't listed, look up their mailing address
    and snail mail them about the situation.
    Ask them if they want to get in on going after this guy. Make sure they are willing
    to go the distance. (File police & other reports, stay in contact, write out affidavits, etc)
    Best if you can get them on the phone as emails are easy
    to ignore, plus the phone is a better way to get them fired up to take action.
    Right now I know of 4 hams ripped off by the same guy and they all agreed to pursue him,
    but only 1-2 have even done anything. They even have a Postal Inspector already opening a case right
    now but he is waiting for the rest of the police reports from the slackers.
    It will make your case SO very much stronger if you have a group of victims.
    But if they won't, keep going after the scammer, never give up.

    4) I know the check was sent FedEx, not USPS, but contact the Postal Inspectors
    Fraud Department anyway and ask them if they have any advice for you.
    (It would be great if one of the other victims sent a check/money order my U.S. Mail,
    then the Postal Inspectors can open a case immediately and begin to go after him.
    https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/f...complaint.aspx

    5) Contact and file a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center, also known as IC3:
    http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
    The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau
    of Investigation (FBI), the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C),
    and the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA).
    When you do, let them know you have already filed police reports and made fraud
    complaints with local police, and that you can send them in. This is IMPORTANT.
    Why? Cuz IC3 gets tons of reports that say "So and so ripped me of....DO SOMETHING"
    When IC3 sees that you "got game" and are serious, they will take your case more
    seriously, especially if you can get the other victims to file too.

    The law & LE jurisdictions work differently from state to state, so I would expect somewhere along
    the line maybe the State Police or some agency not listed here will pick up the ball.

    This is just an outline of suggestions, modalities, and procedures I have seen other
    online scam victims use. And yes, some of the actions resulted in indictments and
    adjudication. I am not a lawyer, just someone who detests scammers and has been
    working (as an avocation not a vocation) with & counseling scam victims
    and chasing scammers for a number of years now.

    If you have any questions please feel free to contact me at my QRZ Email addy.
    GL ES 73, Ken AD6KA
     
  2. AD6KA

    AD6KA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Addition to my other post

    Robert:

    Another thing you should do is write to the scammers email
    provider and tell them that he is using his email account for scamming.
    Include your emails with him and what happened.

    The address to write to is usually "abuse@yahoo.com" or "abuse@Gmail.com"
    etc. You can look that up, or write me and I will give you a hand.

    The scamming violates the "Terms of Agreement" we all click the
    little box next to when we sign up for email accounts.
    If they say your evidence is insufficient to shut down his account,
    then wait and scan and send them that police report. That
    WILL get the Email Provider AND the Net Access Provider's attention.


    People often ask me "So you shut down an email account. Big deal!
    What does that do when you can sign up for a dozen new ones in 15 minutes"


    It's a quite valid point for sure. But sometimes scammers get lazy and use the
    same account for more than one scam, or keep important victim info in their
    boxes. So if the account is trashed without warning, it **could** dent
    him. It WILL make him know people have started alerting authorities of
    his actions.

    And.....If you are persistent enough and have enough evidence, you just
    might even get his entire Net Access killed by the local provider.
    Ouch!
    Just a thought.
    GL ES 73, Ken AD6KA
     
  3. KD8DEY

    KD8DEY Ham Member QRZ Page

    I was just looking on echo link and there is a guy in mount sterling on echo link right now (KE4HDV) node 567421 so it looks like it is possible................
     
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    KD8DEY Ham Member QRZ Page

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  6. W7ARX

    W7ARX Guest

    Unfortunately, appears on QTH.COM in the forum section that he has been ripping off other individuals also.
     
  7. W7ARX

    W7ARX Guest

    Also, noted some other individuals frauded on QTH.COM. You might want to include them in your investigation/follow up.
     
  8. AD6KA

    AD6KA Ham Member QRZ Page

    If you want the guys mailing adres and he has moved in the last 18
    months and filed a Change of Address with the Post Office (maybe not likely) do this:

    Write him a letter (blank envelope) to the old address.
    Include your return address.
    Inbigbold letters, write on the front of the envelope:
    "DO NOT DELIVER.....ADDRESS CRRECTION REQUESTED"

    IF, as saidid, a big IF, he has filed a COA, he will never see
    the letter and it will be returned to you by the PO with
    a yellow sticker with either his new address, "Forwarding Order Expired",
    "Undeliverable as Addressed" or "Not At This Address"

    What have you got to lose for $.44?
    73, Ken AD6KA
    PS: Also contact the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3).
    That's the FBI's fraud investigation website, any Google search will pull it up.
     
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