It's Ham Vs.Ham As Radio Amateurs Are In Conflict At ARRL

Discussion in 'General Announcements' started by KX4OM, Oct 7, 2018.

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  1. KG5THG

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    Even though I'm not in your region, I wish you the best of luck! We don't seem to be able to vote for anyone but an incumbent in this country anymore (it actually has been that way for a few decades now. Money talks). I hope the tides are turning.
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  2. KL7KN

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    ARRL - all about 90s tech - 1890s.

    Which is to say the organization has outlived both its original purpose and any usefulness.

    As I read these unending posts about the ARRL - I am struck that it is more about a battle of monumental egos that 'serving the hobby'

    I was a member back in the late 1970s. Never again.

    Good luck with 'your club'
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  3. KM4NYI

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    The ARRL (or any other group that may come along in an attempt to take its place) will never be able to please everyone in the amateur radio realm. No matter what they do, there's going to be people who aren't happy. Getting the ham community to band together would be like trying to herd cats.
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  4. ND6M

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    We are not talking about "everyone", the fact is only about 1 of 5 U.S.Amateurs are members.

    There just might be a REASON for that number;).
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  5. KM4NYI

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    1 out of 5 isn't bad, really. Out of the active amateur radio licensees in my county, I'd guess the 1-in-5 ratio applies to membership in our local club (and we're one of the larger clubs in the region). Heck, I'd bet 2 out of every 5 licensees in my area are rarely (if ever) even on the air. It would be interesting if there was a way to ascertain how many active ham operators are ARRL members.

    As for me, I'm an ARRL member because that's the best (actually, the only) option out there. Could they make improvements? Certainly. Of course, that won't happen until the members start taking an active role in the nomination and election process. Nothing's going to change until the majority of members stand up and push for change. I may not like everything they do, but at least they have influence with the FCC and in my opinion, the good outweighs the bad.
  6. W2WDX

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    It never ceases to amaze me how people quit organizations when things are not being done for THEM (and most times it's over a single issue). An organization such as ARRL cannot and never will be able to makes sure all of its decisions are in line with every individual member. Someone is always going to be on the other side of a decision. YOU are not always going to be in-line with whatever decisions or direction they may take. If you can't accept that and live with it, and see the broader picture then you are myopic and unrealistic.

    It is impossible for the ARRL to do its work and make every ham happy. They must make choices, and there are always two sides to every scenario. So if you quit or don't join over some issue they didn't pursue your way, you are just not thinking realistically. You're being reactionary and unable to accept the greater good nor able to understand how any organization functions.

    To say it's about money is ignorant. Most of these top positions are a full time job and the stipends paid are tiny compared to what can be had in the private sector. Non-profit organizations do not mean people work and make a commitment for free. To think so is childish and naive. Like any position you have to pay to get anyone with any competency, even marginal.

    Furthermore, if you are not a member and do not even read the information how can you even express an opinion that would be considered valid?

    So the OP is saying there WAS a problem with transparency, of which those rules have been suspended. And the problem is? Clearly they are reviewing the very common confidentiality and compliance guidelines. Such guidelines are by no means unusual for any board, whether the corporation is profit or non-profit. A board is there to make decisions, and once those decisions are voted upon and in place, to come out afterward in opposition to that decision undermines the ability of the board to make any decisions. There is a process in place and if a board member continues a debate after a decision was made, he simply did not make an good enough argument when debate on the issue occurred and any action after the vote is meant to undermine the boards decision making process. Since the board also makes decision that may involve political lobbying efforts it is strategically ignorant to make certain decisions public. Confidentiality means not showing your hand. If you cannot understand the need for strategic confidentiality of a board, again, you are naive and do not understand how the world works. A board would be incompetent if it failed to have some form of confidentiality requirement for people seated. Another single stupid concept is that somehow people think a corporation (whether for profit or non-profit) is somehow a democratic body. That's ludicrous. It is not. It can apply some limited democratic ideas in its charter (like elections), but it is not and cannot be expected to function adequately as a fully democratic entity. Decisions would simple never be made if that was the case.
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  7. ND6M

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    That just doesn't make sense.
    Exactly what does "being a member" have to do with knowledge regarding making a decision.

    Are you saying that the arrl only provides information to members only?

    Is this "secret" info only spoken behind closed doors?
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  8. N2AMM

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    I'm pleased that you are "amazed" and would like to state that I find your five paragraphs amazing, too.
  9. N1SCA

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  10. KK5JY

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    No, they are one of many. They may have more visibility than others, but they have no more sway with the regulators than any other individual or group.
    No, this is just another AR club having another internal squabble. Nothing more. This has been going on for decades, in many AR clubs. The only difference this time is that the A**L has more visibility than the Podunk, OK, ARC.
    On the contrary, if enough people "vote with their feet," this issue will go away, and we (as a service) can move on to talking about more interesting subjects. Since the League's US membership rate is now less than 20%, this whole issue is already well on its way to irrelevance.

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