Is Packet Radio Dead?

Discussion in 'Working Different Modes' started by K0LTZ, Dec 11, 2019.

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Is packet radio dead?

  1. Yes

    36.0%
  2. No

    64.0%
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  1. KB0MNM

    KB0MNM Ham Member QRZ Page

  2. W4EAE

    W4EAE XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Its funny that with all of the individuals responding about their use of packet radio, the poll is 50/50.

    I guess the metric is 'something is dead if I don't use it.'
     
  3. K8BZ

    K8BZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Still not dead here:

    c k8bz-1
    cmd:*** CONNECTED to K8BZ-1 [12/31/19 13:54:04]
    [KAMP-8.0-HM$]
    73038 BYTES AVAILABLE
    THERE ARE 58 MESSAGES NUMBERED 2-65
    K8BZ Mailbox in Gladwin, MI EN-73-sx
    YOU HAVE 2 MESSAGE(S) WAITING
    ENTER COMMAND: B,J,K,L,R,S, or Help >
    ll 2
    MSG# ST SIZE TO FROM DATE SUBJECT
    65 PH 193 K8BZ W6OAV 12/31/19 11:13:20 Happy New Year
    64 PH 134 K8BZ KC3HMC 12/31/19 10:36:57 GM
    ENTER COMMAND: B,J,K,L,R,S, or Help >
     
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  4. KJ4YQK

    KJ4YQK Platinum Subscriber Platinum Subscriber QRZ Page

    Packet is dead in my area. I pretty much only work digital on HF only now. My VHF/UHF radios are collecting dust.
     
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  5. K1APJ

    K1APJ Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Based on the very low response rate, I suspect that nobody knows and nobody cares.......

    I fiddled with HF packet years ago. Worked poorly. VHF worked fine, but I never found anything useful to do with it, once I got it set up snd working reliably. Modern experience may be different.
     
  6. W4EAE

    W4EAE XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    In a country as big as ours, questions like 'who uses what mode' can be dramatically different in different parts of the county (for VHF & UHF anyway).

    As to what has changed with packet in last several decades, it is pretty simple: software modems. If you already own a radio, you can get on packet for a pittance. No Kantronics AX.25 or ludicrously priced SCS PACTOR modem is required. From a financial perspective, it's hard to find a reason not to dip your toes back in.

    No all, but a lot of my packet work is with myself. I have an RMS node, a BBS, and a TCP node running at my QTH that I access mobile and portable all the time for various tasks. Even if no one else in your area is using it, it can still be useful.
     
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  7. VE3CLG

    VE3CLG Ham Member QRZ Page

    Here some more running ip/tcp here and vhf going strong in this area
    AA6HF-4:BBGATE AA6HF-5:BBGURO AB0AF-10:AFRMS AB0AF-11:AFCHT
    AB0AF-1:AFBBS AB0AF-4:AFDXA AB0AF-7:HEMET AC7BR-10:RIVRMS
    AC7BR-3:RIVBBS AC7BR-4:RIV AE5E-14:5ENODE AE5E-2:5ECHAT
    AE5E-3:5EBBS AE5E-4:5EDXA AE5E:5EDXC AE5ME-11:MECHAT
    AE5ME-12:MEBBS AE5ME-13:MERMS AE5ME-15:TDRNDE CT1ENI-5:ENIBBS
    CT1ENI-8:CPARIC CT2KCK-8:LXNODE CX2SA-2:DAYMAN DB0BI-10:BITCP
    DB0BI-12:BIFRM DB0BI:BI DB0BQ-1:XPBSer DB0EEO:EEO
    DB0ERF-14:ERFPAG DB0ERF-15:ERFBOX DB0ERF-2:ERFAPR DB0ERF-5:ERFDX
    DB0ERF-9:ERFCON DB0ERF:ERFURT DB0FC-1:BSBOX DB0FC:BS
    DB0GOS:Essen DB0KV:KLE DB0LUH:LUH DB0MSC-3:Mstr
    DB0MSC-8:MSCBOX DB0NOS:OERLNG DB0RES-10:RESint DB0RES:Rees
    DB0UHI-10:LAATCP DB0UHI-12:LAAPOC DB0UHI-4:LAABOX DB0UHI-7:LAARPC
    DB0UHI-9:LAADXC DB0UHI:LAATZN DB0WAL-7:WalSrv DB0ZWI-3:zwinet
    DB0ZWI-4:zwinet DB0ZWI:ZWINET DI0HAN-9:pOCLUH F1OYP-14:OYPFBB
    F1OYP-4:OYPBBS F1OYP-5:NODSTA F3KT-12:3KTNOD F3KT:NANTES
    F4BWT:BWTND F8KHI-3: G3LDI-11:LDICHT G3LDI:SWAR
    G7ICD-1:ICDPMS G7ICD-4:ICDCHT G7VJA-5:HAMLET G8PZT:KIDDER
    GB7CIP-13:CIPOUT GB7CIP-5:CRGWAY GB7CIP:CIPBBS GB7COV-11:CORLEY
    GB7COW-5:NDEVON GB7COW:COWBBS GB7LDI:LDIBBS GB7RDX:DX
    GB7YEW:YEWXP GM3YEW-4:NETHI GM3YEW-7:pERCHT HB9ON-10:ONXNET
    HB9ON-14:ONWNET HG5CJX-5:CJXNOD HG5CJX-8:CJXBBS HG8GL-2:GLNODE
    HG8GL:GLBBS HG8LXL:LXLBBS HG8PCS:pCSNET HG8PIT-1:pIT-1
    HG8PIT:pITNet HG8PKU:KUN HG8PRC:SPIDER HG8PXL-5:pXLNOS
    HG8PXL:pXLNET I0OJJ-3:RMGATE IGATEB:IGATB IK1NHL-2:xxmigl
    IQ2LB-10:LBRMS IQ2LB-12:LBBPQ IQ3BLX:XTYNET IQ5KG-7:KG7
    IR0RM:ROMEGW IR1UAW-7: IR2UBX-14:UBXARI IR2UFV-10:RMSMI
    IR2UFV-15:BOLHF IR2UFV-8:BBSMI IR3XTY-12:NODE12 IR3XTY-13:NODE13
    IT9XVU-15:XVUXN1 IW2OHX:BOLXN IW3HER-2:LINVI IW6NDX:NETNDX
    IW8PGT-14:pGTXN2 IW8PGT-15:pGTXN1 IZ3LSV-2:NETLSV IZ5FSA-3:FSAURO
    IZ5FSA-7:FSABPQ K2WVC-10:WVCRMS K2WVC-1:WVCBBS K2WVC-2:WVCCHT
    K2WVC-6:WVC K5DAT-5:DATXR K5DAT-7:DATNOD K5DAT-8:LEECHT
    K6HR-4:LOSANG K9BIF-11:BIFCHT KA9LCF-7:NEINWA KA9QJT-1:QJTBBS
    KA9QJT-7:NCB105 KB8OAK-10:OAKRMS KB8OAK-11:OAKCHT KB8OAK-7:MIALBN
    KB8OAK:ALBBBS KB9SOZ-11:SOZCHT KB9SOZ-1:SOZBBS KB9SOZ-3:DXSOZ
    KB9SOZ-7:WI105 KB9UNZ-7:SUSY KC8KPM-7:MIBTL KD0J-10:pEAK
    KD6OAT-7:SLCOAT KE0GB-11:COSCHT KE0GB-1:COSBBS KE0GB-7:COSCO
    KF4LLF-10:RKYRMS KF4LLF-7:RKYRVR KF4LLF-8:RKYDX KI7L-7:IMED
    KJ6IX-10:IXRMS KJ6IX-2:IXCHT KJ6IX-3:IXBBS KJ6IX-4:KMEV
    KM8V-11:CLECHT KM8V-1:CLEBBS KM8V-7:OHCLEV LU3WAM-4:WAMNOD
    LU3WAM:WAMBBS LU9DCE-4:DCENOD LU9DCE:DCEBBS LU9HGS:HGSBBS
    LZ0VRC-5:VRACA5 LZ1PRO-5:pROAPR MB7NCR-1:CRNODE N1URO-11:QSOCCT
    N1URO-12:FEDORA N1URO-13:SQLURO N1URO-14:MFNOS N1URO-2:RSBYPI
    N1URO-3:X-URO N1URO-4:BBSURO N1URO-5:UNIVLE N1URO-6:DXURO
    N1URO-7:CTJNOS N2NOV-7:ARECS N4ZKF-5:DABFLA N5DAT-7:DATXRL
    N5DAT-8:LDBCHT N6MEF-3:MFOX N6ROE-3:LAXNET N8HEE-10:HEERMS
    N8HEE-11:HEECHA N8HEE-5:EATON N8HEE:HEEBBS N9LYA-5:INNOS
    N9LYA-8:LYANOD N9PMO-10:pMORMS N9PMO-11:pMOCHT N9PMO-2:WIRAC
    N9PMO-6:DXAR N9PMO:pMOBBS OE6XPE-5:DXCGRZ OE6XPE-8:BBSGRZ
    OE6XPE:xnGRZ OK0DXI:DXCLUS OK0NAG-11:MAILGW OK0NAG-8:NAGBBS
    OK0NMA:X-NMA OK0NMG-15:X-NMG OK0NMG-5:CZGATE OK0NTU-10:NTUNOD
    OK0NTU:VSBNOD OK2KOJ-5:KOJNOD OK2PEN-1:BBSPEN OK2PEN-5:SJCCTY
    ON0AN-10:GATE ON0AN:DX ON0AR-10:BBSGAT ON0AR-7:FWDBBS
    ON0AR:BBS ON0CK-8:KORTRY ON0DXK-8:DXK-8 PA2SNK:BBSSNK
    PE1MVX-15:XN_MVX PE1MVX-3:mvxbbs PE1OEZ-10:OEZNET PE1OWG-10:OWGNOD
    PI1HGL:pi1hgl PI1SNK-10:FRLNOD PI8HGL-4:CONF PI8HGL:HGLBBS
    PI8SNK-7:DXCNLD PY2BIL-1:BILBBS PY2BIL-2:BILCHT PY2ZEN-10:RMSZEN
    PY2ZEN-6:DXCZEN SP2L-12:2LNOD SP2L-14:2LJNOS SP2L-2:2LHUB
    SP2L-3:2LCLU SP2L:2LBBS SR6DWC-11:dwc SR6DWH-11:DWHNET
    SV1CMG-3:LAMNET SV1CMG-9:LAMFBB SV1DZI-11:DZINOD SV1DZI-6:DZIBBS
    VA2BBS-2:DXCBBS VA2BBS-4:BEAUPT VA2BBS:BBSBBS VA2OM-1:OMPMS
    VA2OM-4:OMXRP VA2OM-5:OMNOS VA2OM-8:OMCHAT VA2QBC-7:BPORT
    VA3BAL-6:JNOS VA3BAL-8:XBAL VA3HIP-2:HIP VA7RBP-2:RBPBBS
    VA7RBP-7:CASLGR VE1JOT-1:NSJNOS VE1JOT-7:NS105 VE2HAR-6:XHAR
    VE2HAR-7:QC105 VE2HAR-9:HARGW VE2JOS-1:JOSNOD VE2JOS:JOSBBS
    VE2PKT-10:RMSPKT VE2PKT-13:pKTNOD VE2PKT-9:DXCPKT VE2PKT:BBSPKT
    VE2RWQ-2:MTSHFR VE3CGG-3:DXCCGG VE3CGG-7:WNSOR VE3CGG:BBSCGG
    VE3CGH-7:RIVER VE3CGR-2:BBSCGR VE3CGR-3:NODCGR VE3CGR-5:DXCGR
    VE3CGR-7:CHTCGR VE3CGR-8:X-YORK VE3CLG-8:XCLG VE3EXI-10:EXIRMS
    VE3EXI-2:EXIPKT VE3EXI:EXIBBS VE3MCH-10:RMSHAM VE3MCH-6:HAMS
    VE3MCH-7:Y-HAMS VE3MIS-10:MISRMS VE3MIS-2:MISPKT VE3MIS:MISBBS
    VE3MUS-8:XMUS VE3TOK-10:RMSTOK VE3TOK-11:TALK VE3TOK-1:DXHAMS
    VE3TOK-2:BBSTOK VE3UIL-7:SFALLS VE3UIM-14:UIMPMS VE3UIM-7:UIMXRP
    VE3UIM-8:UIMCH VE3XPG-1:TORONT VE3ZDA-7:ONA105 VE4KLM-3:MBGATE
    VE7ASS-7:YVRASS VE7MOV-10:SEPRMS VE7MOV-2:SEPBBS VE7MOV-7:SEPAR
    VE7POO-1:pOOBBS VE7POO-2:pOOCHT VE7POO-7:YVRPOO VE7ROW-7:KELWNA
    VE7SPY-7:SPY VE9MPF-7:MPFMTN VK1KW-6:CANBBS VK1KW:WSTCAN
    VK2DOT-14:DOTPMS VK2DOT-1:DOTXR VK2DOT-2:DOTFBB VK2DOT-6:DOTFBB
    VK2DOT-8:DOTCH VK2DOT:DOTBBS VK3ATM-2:ATMNOD VK3ATM-5:X-ATM
    VK3AYM:AYMNOS VK5GR-10:ADELSA VK5GR-2:ADELDX VK5GR:ADELBB
    VK6HGR-14:HGRBBS VK6HGR-15:HGRNOD VK7AX-3:TASGW VK7HDM-1:HDMNOS
    VK7HDM-4:NODHDM W3XSC-1:XSCBB3 W4BFB-10:CLTRC W4BFB-6:SPENCE
    W6RAY-3:SJVBBS W9ABA-10:ABARMS W9ABA-7:ABABPQ W9ABA:W9ABBS
    W9ECG-11:ECGCHT W9ECG-7:INEC76 W9GM-11:GMCHT W9GM-1:GMBBS
    W9GM-7:GMNOD W9JUN-11:QSOJUN W9JUN-5:JUNNOD W9JUN-6:JUNFBB
    W9UW-1:BPQBBS W9UW-7:WISRAP WJ4X-10:SCSRMS WJ4X-7:SCSHO
    XE1FH-11:XECHT XE1FH-1:XEBPQ XE1FH-3:XEFBB XE1FH-7:MEXNOD
    YV5KXE-3:AXGATE ZL2AQY-11:AKBBS ZL2AQY-1:AK ZL2ARN-1:KAPITI
    ZL2ARN-2:ARNPMS ZL2ARN-8:KAPCHT ZL2BAU-2:BAUPMS ZL2BAU-3:BAUNOD
    ZL2BAU-8:BAUCHT ZL2BAU:BAUBBS ZL2UFW-3:NPL
    *** 355 nodes displayed
    JNSCOR:VE3CLG-6 Current msg# 0.
    WINLINK,WCONV,XNET,NODE,IGATE,FBB,DX,USCALL,?,A,B,C,CONV,D,E,F,H,I,IH,IP,J,K,L,M,N,NR,O,P,PI,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Z >
     
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  8. KL7AJ

    KL7AJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    It's somewhat comatose up here, but we're applying the defibrillators.
     
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  9. K8BZ

    K8BZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Good luck. I hope it works. There's lots of packet activity on 14.105 with good BPQ world wide forwarding stations. I use KE0GB in Colo Springs. Great station and SYSOP. Hope to see you on packet.
     
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  10. K8BZ

    K8BZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    VHF packet activity here is not robust. There are packet stations at several of the county EOC's but are not regularly checked by the SYSOPS. There have been attempts to get hams interested in packet locally with varying success, mostly little to no success. But ARES groups are recognizing the advantages of packet over much newer digital modes but locally can't seem to get much traction.

    HF on the other hand is quite active. There is a much broader pool of operators with the broader range of HF. At present most of the HF packet activity is on what is known as Net 105, on 20 meters 14.105 MHz.

    Packet has the advantage of all stations using the same frequency. There are live keyboard to keyboard QSOs there, plus message forwarding. That's usually how I use HF packet. I can either connect to my home BPQ packet station which is KE0GB-1 in Colo Springs, CO and upload my messages by hand. Or I can enter the messages in my own home station TNC and set it to auto forward the message to KE0GB-1.

    My message replies are sent directly to my home station TNC by KE0GB. There is also a Winlink gateway at KE0GB-1 and any message addressed to a Winlink address is auto gateway'ed to the Winlink system. Further, any message addressed to my Winlink call, K8BZ@winlink.org will be picked up by KE0GB from Winlink and auto forwarded via AX.25 packet to my TNC BBS here at my home station via Net 105 on 20 meters.

    It's remarkable auto forwarding infrastructure that has been in place and functional for many many years that is nearly completely ignored by lots of ARES groups and others trying to re-invent the wheel with newer technologies that can't compete with what has been right under their nose and working great for years.
     
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